The True Untold Story of the Feud with The Big Mango, the Daily News story, and the Death of BBK.com

| September 11, 2010 | 993 Comments | 1,112,445 views

I have been vacationing in Thailand for 4 years. Summers and Winter break, I rent an apartment, lease a car, own a motorcycle kept in Bangkok and enjoy living in Thailand.

I have attended language school and am functional in spoken Thai. Thailand is a great place and I wholeheartedly recommended it to anyone looking for adventure and an easygoing good time. If you take the time to get beyond the tourists hangouts and activities, Thailand is a ton of fun and will expand your world view.

For the first couple of years, I patronized a Bangkok bar owned by two Americans, Nicholas Louis Dattoma and Michael Francis Smith and an Englishman–Graham H. Jones. Nick was working for BEA Systems/ Oracle in India and now works at WebLogic as an Engineering Manager , Michael recently worked for Yahoo in Singapore and is now employed by Spuul.com, and Graham is an Engineering Consultant in the oil industry who in the past has worked a consultant for Saudi ARAMCO.

For those not familiar with Bangkok, many bars, including the Big Mango Bar, are actually brothels. They employ girls who are paid a small monthly salary and get most of their pay from commissions on drinks customers buy them and from what are referred to as barfines in Bangkok. A barfine is a fee paid to the bar that frees the girl from working for the rest of the day and allows the girl to go out with the customers. Sometimes customers take girls dancing and to dinner but most of the time they take the girl home for sex. There are quotas and girls who don’t get barfined enough or induce enough men to buy them drinks get their salary proportionately reduced.

It sounds worse than it is because the girls are all over 20, are free to quit whenever they want, go home with whomever they please, and, in the end, many actually end up marrying and/or girlfriending men they meet at the bar. Legions of Thai girls from poor, uneducated, impoverished backgrounds have found opportunity and a better life by working in Bangkok bars and meeting foreign men over the years.

The whole system sounds a bit unsavory to Western sensibilities but the system is ubiquitous in Bangkok among foreigners and native Thais and a form of the same system is prevalent in most Asian countries–Communist China, Hong Kong, Japan, and Vietnam. It is even rumored that the wives of several high Thai government officials and politicians started out as a hostesses in similar clubs. Before BigBabyKenny.com was turned off, you could have read through the many posts on the site for more information. Now that BigBabyKenny.com has been turned off, I’m not sure if an equivalent source exists.

The Big Mango Bar advertised itself with a blog. Most of the entries were written by Michael and Nick and they cataloged their experiences navigating The Thailand Girl Scene. The blog was humorous, provocative, eye opening, great reading, and I was an occasional and popular contributor under the screen name BigBabyKenny.

The feud started over an article I wrote entitled Fresh Produce Shopping Part 2C-Buddha and Babes by BigBabyKenny

The gist of the article was advice to guys looking for long term relationships to leave the bars (referred to as The Reservation) and look for potential girlfriends and wives among the universe of normal Thai women. The article specifically recommended hanging out at a popular shrine in downtown Bangkok where women with romantic problems go to make offerings and ask the shrines’ god to deliver themselves from bad relationships or help them find a good husband.

My suggestion was to dress nicely, politely approach women who were leaving the shrine after asking the shrine’s god for relationship relief, introduce themselves, strike up a conversation and ask them to share a cup of coffee at the nearby mall. That way they could meet normal Thai women instead of Thai girls who worked in bars, who make a living on drink commissions and barfines, and, frequently, are specialists at scamming foreign men out of their money.

Nick and Michael originally published the article and then decided it was too disrespectful of Thai Culture and religion. The feud started because after censoring my article, they made some disparaging remarks about me on their blog and refused me the opportunity to respond to them. It really got me going that guys who owned and supported themselves by running a brothel/bar would get on their moral high horse and excoriate me for disrespecting Thai culture. What they were doing seemed far worse.

There was a lot of interest in the Bangkok Expat community about exactly what was in the article but Nick and Michael deleted all discussion and comments about the episode from their blog and continued disparaging me in print.

A couple of months later, I started BigBabyKenny.com so that my original article could see the light of day and to defend myself against the things Nick and Michael had written about me.

The spirit of BigBabyKenny.com was to allow anyone and everyone to say what they wanted, when they wanted, and how they wanted. Rather than deleting and censoring argument, BigBabyKenny.com would encourage open debate where anyone could say anything about everything—- No Hidden Agenda, No Censorship, and No Bullshit was chosen as the sites byline.

In the first few months, debate was animated, spirited and intense, Nick and Michael took a lot of heat and criticism and they didn’t like it. They felt the adverse reaction was affecting their business —driving customers away from their bar.

Shortly thereafter, I began receiving threatening anonymous emails. These emails were very straightforward. If I didn’t turn off my blog I would be beaten and possibly murdered. The address of my Bangkok apartment was noted and the anonymous emailers threatened to wait on the street outside my apartment building, ambush me when I returned home on my motorcycle, and beat me up or kill me . The emails also threatened that if I was seen in public they would call a group of Big Mango supporters and they would beat me up.

I also received emails directly from Graham threatening to out me as a sex tourist if the blog was not turned off. These were sent to my university email address. In one memorable one, Graham threatened to hire people to stand in front of the university library handing out fliers identifying me as a sex tourist and pedophile—- if I didn’t take down my site.

The university where I work also received a series of anonymous emails pointing out the existence of my site, which was anonymous and had no university affiliation. Anonymous pages were put up on WordPress.com where the site was mischaracterized and my character was attacked.

I had several email exchanges with university administrators over the summer and they confirmed what I already knew. In the U.S., people have freedom of speech. As a prof., I was free to say what I wanted about anything I wanted. America is a great country, isn’t it?

At this time, I also made a decision to dig in and not be pushed around. The threats of violence, the anonymous emails to the university, and the open threats from Graham were nasty and just not right. Giving in to them, although it was the easy thing to do, was just wrong. Come what may I was going to face them down.

Nick, Michael, and Graham could threaten all they wanted but I had done nothing wrong and I wasn’t going to let them silence me or push me around. Whatever happened, I was not going to let them prevail.

Things heated up in the Fall when Nick, Michael and Graham put a restaurant they owned, The Duke of Wellington, on the market. They hired a business broker in Bangkok and the bar was publicly advertised on the internet. Certain claims were made about how much revenue the bar was generating and that the bar was profitable. These claims were discussed openly on BigBabyKenny.com.

Nick felt the open public discussion of their claims was preventing them from unloading the restaurant and this time Nick wrote the university president under his own name asking the university to force me to turn off my blog. The letter was very facetious because it conveniently glossed over the brothel aspect of their business. Nick claimed I was hurting the continued livelihood of his employees but conveniently omitted mentioning that he, Michael, and Graham were making a living renting the girls they employed for sex with customers. The university gave the same response that in the United States people are free to say what they want. BigBabyKenny.com had no university affiliation and I was free to write what I wanted.

In the following months the university was pelted with anonymous emails about my site. The emailers got public email addresses off the internet, bulk emailed faculty in an attempt to embarrass me, and they wrote the university HR department claiming the site was hosted on university computers—which it isn’t .

A campaign was also started where local newspapers were anonymously emailed.and asked to investigate. The campus newspaper, the Los Angeles Times and the Daily News were written. Others newspapers that I am unaware of might have also been anonymously contacted.

The interesting thing about BigBabyKenny.com is that as time went on, more people found the site, interesting and provocative posts continued to be published, the readership expanded and the site became one of the most popular, widely read, influential, and famous Bangkok Nightlife sites/forums.

The unedited exclusive pictures of nightclubs, bars, Thai clubs, and girls inhabiting the Thailand Girl Scene stand as groundbreaking photojournalism. You couldn’t find anything like it on the internet or in the mainstream press and the photography was one of the most popular features of BigBabyKenny.com.

Open debate and a free uncensored internet worked for a time. .

Most of you are here reading this today because of an article written in the Daily News about BigBabyKenny.com. That article is the direct result of this anonymous email campaign.

The byline of this site has always been No Hidden Agenda, No Censorship, and No Bullshit.

BigBabyKenny.com continued true this ideal to the very end. Every post and comment ever written and posted was preserved — unedited, undeleted, and uncensored. Everyone had a seat at the table and could write what they wanted, how they wanted, and when they wanted. BigBabyKenny.com accepted and published posts from anyone and everyone about anything having to do with life in Thailand and The Thailand Girl Scene. Any interested reader could go back and read everything and anything that had ever been written there. History was not censored, redacted, or altered in any way. Everything that had been said and done was recorded and preserved..

Unfortunately, BigBabyKenny got too good for it’s own good.

The articles were too good at laying bare the economic underpinnings, the inter-personal dynamics, the nuts and bolts, and even the humorous side of The Thailand Girl Scene.

The discussion of The Thailand Girl Scene was too interesting and too revealing about the realites of life in a third world country where the usual ways women advance themselves socially and economically in The World are blocked off.

The photography was too good at documenting the nitty gritty nature of the various nooks and crannies of the Thailand nightlife industry.

The realities of life, love, dating, marriage, and sex in Southeast Asia and the politically correct western centric view of the world clashed.

Better to live in a make believe fairy tale western fantasy version of Southeast Asian culture and society than deal with an accurate, well documented truth.

Unfortunately, because I am a professor at a big public university, the popularity and publicity surrounding the ideas, the subjects and questions discussed and debated, and, of course, the ground breaking photography at BigBabyKenny.com became so great that the site had to be turned off.

Here is the official statement from the University on the matter.

When principles and reality clash sometimes reality wins.

BigBabyKenny

Note (4/4/2013): An account of the closing of The Big Mango Bar was recently posted by a reader.

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  1. Justice says:

    So Kenny, whats plan B?

  2. Justice says:

    Maybe you can get a close to the line job English teaching job in Thailand.

    Hahaha hehehe hohoho

  3. BBKMOTU says:

    Kenny you’re such a twat. You know the location of the Grace hotel is more than 2 kilometers from the Big Mango on the opposite side of Suk Road. May as well be on the other end of Suk since, as you know, Soi 3 is almost exclusively frequented by tourists from the Middle East.

    Guess that ego of yours is still bruised. Does this round of Big Mango hate have anything to do with the rumor that you’re soon to be unemployed?

  4. Abdul Jabaar says:

    Dearest Michael Francis Smith, proprietor of the Big Mango whorehouse on Soi4

    Can you please tell me how much one of your prostitutes that can accept anal sex costs?

    If your whorehouse has goats then all the better

    Thank you Michael

    Abdul 

  5. Dr. Watson says:

    Dear So. Cal. Kenny (Abdul), whore monger extraordinaire. You know how much whores cost as you have negotiated with them on hundreds of occasions.

  6. Dr. Watson says:

    Most often ineffectively I should add, since your grotesque “elephant man” boxjaw turns them off so much they ask you for a silly amount to bed them.

  7. Dr. Watson says:

    ….with you wearing your quality fabrics!

  8. Dr. Watson says:

    Kenny

    When is your “I’ve been laid off from my job” party?

  9. Jerry says:

    You’re an idiot kenny

  10. Jerry says:

    Nothing ever changes. Kenny is still an idiot.

  11. Ronru says:

    Hey Dumbasses!

    Kenny writes nothing. The Keith Summers Saga is over. Nobody would bother reading this blog  but ………… wait for it ………

    Kenny’s crew of losers sticks a needle in you fucking Mangotards and you post a dozen comments in the Big Mango Yes We are Human Traffickers and Make a Living Off Prostitution thread. 

    Now people have a reason to read this sorry excuse for a blog, the hit count goes up, and when you type in Nicholas Dattoma, Michael Francis Smith, Graham Jones or Harry Zink, this page comes up on the first page of the search results.

    Hey Dumbass Mangotards. Stop commenting here and this blog will go away.

    Get it Dumbasses? 

  12. Frequent Mango Customer says:

    The streets on Sukhumivit are odd numbered on the north side and even numbered on the south side. Soi 3 becomes Soi 4 as it crosses Sukhumvit. 

    The Big Mango Bar is on Soi 4. Same street as Nana Plaza. The Grace Hotel is on Soi 3 about 100 meters north of Nana Plaza.

    It’s fair to say that they are in “close proximity”. 200 meters is only off by a handful of meters.

     

  13. DW says:

    Abdul.

    We cannot discuss prices on the internet. Come to the bar and we will take care of you. Satisfaction guaranteed.

     

  14. Thai Hooker Love Child says:

    Why you no write me no more Kenny? You no lub me?

  15. Kenny Loves SWSM says:

    Naaaa, he’s just been busy deleting comments he don’t like. Hahahazzzzzzzzzzzz

  16. Kenny Loves SWSM Ladyboy Whore Sex says:

    Acapulco: Location of Kenny’s “I’ve Been Laid Off” party.

  17. Eat Shit Ronru - This is Kenny's Legacy says:

    Each new post and comment Kenny makes slamming the Big Mango, Stickman or whomever else he decides to attack is additional testimony to his monumental stupidity. Google, Yahoo and the Time Machine will never let this blog die.

    What happens when you blog Kenny’s name and his employer? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. SEO engines rejoice at BBK.COM and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!
    This is …… N-‘s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  18. Eat Shit Ronru - This is Kenny's Legacy says:

    Each new post and comment Kenny makes slamming the Big Mango, Stickman or whomever else he decides to attack is additional testimony to his monumental stupidity. Google, Yahoo and the Time Machine will never let this blog die.

    What happens when you blog Kenny’s name and his employer? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. SEO engines rejoice at BBK.COM and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!
    This is ……-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  19. Eat Shit Ronru - This is Kenny's Legacy says:

    Keep on keeping on 😉

  20. Eat Shit Ronru - This is Kenny's Legacy says:

    Eat Shit Ronru – This is Kenny’s Legacy says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 30, 2012 at 4:19 am

    Each new post and comment Kenny makes slamming the Big Mango, Stickman or whomever else he decides to attack is additional testimony to his monumental stupidity. Google, Yahoo and the Time Machine will never let this blog die.

    What happens when you blog Kenny’s name and his employer? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. SearchEengines rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!
    This is …..-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  21. FYI says:

    Eat Shit Ronru – This is Kenny’s Legacy says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 30, 2012 at 4:19 am

    Each new post and comment Kenny makes slamming the Big Mango, Stickman or whomever else he decides to attack is additional testimony to his monumental stupidity. Google, Yahoo and the Time Machine will never let this blog die.

  22. Eat Shit Ronru - The Blog Is Kenny's Legacy! says:

    What happens when you blog Kenny’s name and his work? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. Search Engines rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!

    This is …..’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  23. Eat Shit Ronru - The Blog Is Kenny's Legacy! says:

    What happens when you blog Kenny’s name and his employer? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. SearchE ngines rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!
    This is ….-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  24. Eat Shit Ronru - The Blog Is Kenny's Legacy! says:

    What happens when you blog Kenny’s name and where he works? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. Search Engines rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!
    This is ….-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  25. Eat Shit Ronru - The Blog Is Kenny's Legacy! says:

    What happens when you search Kenny’s name and his work? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. The internet can rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!

    This is …..-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  26. This Is Kenny's Legacy says:

    Ever Google Kenny, Thailand, his work? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself.

    Let it roll on!

    This is ….-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  27. This Is Kenny's Legacy says:

    This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. Search Eengines rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!

    This is ….-N’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  28. This Is Kenny's Legacy says:

    Ever Google Kenny, Thailand, his work? This blog and stories about Kenny’s sexpat encounters comes up numero uno. I want to see Kenny continue to go after the Big Mango. I want to see other people continue to ridicule Kenny and read his cowardly responses under an assortment of screen names because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up for himself. Search Engines rejoice at BBK and the trash bin it represents.

    Let it roll on!

    This is Kenny’s legacy!!!!!!!!!

  29. Reviewing the legacy of a fucktard says:

    Here is Kenny Din-a-ling-Ng’s legacy.

    Ratemydoodie.com

    The fucktard Kenny’s favorite pastime.

  30. Hidden Root Kit Virus says:

    It’s still there. It just happens to be dormant now.

  31. Ronru says:

    Hey Dumbass.

    27 new comments today. Way to keep BBK.com high on the search page.

    Hahahahahahahaha 

  32. Yea Yea Yea Legacy Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Kenny SWSM Legacy Thailand gogo whores legacy hookers legacy sluts

    Hahaha Hehehe Hohoho

  33. Yea Yea Yea Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Fuck sex sluts Cheap pattaya bangkok

    Hahaha Hehehe Hohoho

  34. Yea Yea Yea Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Kenny: Associate Master of the Universe

    Hahahahahahaha

  35. Yea Yea Yea Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Big Mango Bar Human Trafficking Center of Bangkok.

    Nicholas Dattoma, Michael Francis Smith, Graham Jones Owners.

    Spuul.com Sudesh Iyer I employ pimps who make pocket money from prostitutes.

    Hahahahahaha 

  36. Ronru says:

    That’s right Mango Assholes.

    SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    Hahahahahaha 

  37. Delete and Edit and Delete and Edit says:

    Delete delete delete

    Hahahahahahaha

  38. The Legacy of Kenny and the Sockpuppets says:

    That should be the name of this piece of shit blog.

  39. What is it about this post that has Kenny keep deleting comments? says:

    Could it be that he was caught lying and doesn’t want people to see? Hmmmmmmmm.

  40. Yea Yea Yea Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Michael Francis Smith of Spuul.com told his boss Sudesh Iyer that he sold his interest in The Big Mango Bar  because Iyer didn’t want Spuul.com associated with someone who owns a sex business in Bangkok.

    Well guess what. He is still the owner listed on the government records for the corporation that owns the Big Mango.

    I guess he didn’t sell his interest and he lied to his boss.

    Yes. He is still legal owner of the brothel known as the Big Mango where for $20 you can barfine a young girl  for sex.

    Now that is lying.  

  41. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    Fuckhead attorneys and fucktard educators.

  42. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    Fuckhead attorneys and fucktard educators fuck up everything.

  43. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    Kenny loves talking to himself. Fucktards love fucktards and love making up fictions of their imagination.

  44. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    By the way kenny, get a pink slip yet?

  45. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    Come on….you can tell all your friends here hehehe hohoho

  46. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    Funny how we’ve forced kenny to completely abandon his no censorship, no bullshit agenda. hehehe hohoho

  47. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    So now you move comments from the “Thailand Nothing Ever Changes” post to here. Hahahahaha YOU DUMBASS

  48. TELL EVERYONE KENNY-WHY WHY WHY says:

    Why do you keep deleting comments from the “Thailand – Nothing Ever Changes” post?

  49. Fucktards Love Fucktards on BBK says:

    So what will you do with this comment? Delete it or move it to another useless post?

  50. BBK BKK Cheap Charlies Club & Association of Loose Assholes says:

    Kenny showed us how to negotiate cheap ladyboy sex down to almost nothing in exchange for having a ladyboy stay in the apartment. No apartment locks needed anymore. Thank you Kenny.

  51. Anal Sex With Whores and Streetwalkers says:

    Kenny, we need a section on how you screw over human trafficking victims by negotiating cheaper.

  52. smelly farang says:

    Hard to believe your tired website is still online Kenny.

  53. smelly farang says:

    Come on Kenny. Still hiding behind other names to revive this site.

  54. Former President George W Bush says:

    @ BBK – I am a former president of the USA. Everyone can believe me because my name says so.

  55. Beacon Of Truth says:

    Delete more comments kenny!

  56. Beacon Of Truth says:

    It sure is kenny using the other names. The net protocol addresses dont lie.

  57. Beacon of Big Baby Kenny says:

    I’d also like to know why comments keep being deleted from this thread. Kenny?

  58. Big Baby Kenny Ministry of Redaction says:

    Now I wonder why Kenny keeps deleting comments here too. No matter.

  59. Big Baby Kenny Ministry of Redaction says:

    Word is that you’ll be laid off after this semester. If you are, will you bring the original content back since you won’t has a reason to give a shit about the women’s studies shrills any longer?

  60. Yea Yea Yea Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Funny how you can’t erase history.

    Nicholas Dattoma and Michael Francis Smith supported themselves with income from their brothel and now they want to erase that fact from the history books. 

    I guess it’s not going to happen.

    The legacy of hookers, whores, and stupidity will always be there.  

  61. BBK Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    The original an d dont forget it kenny.

  62. BBK Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Say there kenny, why no comment on being laid off next year?

  63. Inquiring Mind says:

    Why no comment Kenny?

  64. Fucktards for Fucktards says:

    You’re a fucktard kenny. Everyone knows it’s you posting under other names.

  65. Former President George W Bush says:

    @ BigBabyKenny

    I am the former president of the United States because my screen name says I am.

  66. DELETE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE IT SAYS KENNY says:

    Editor’s Note: Personal Information Redacted

  67. Thailand Hookers want more studies on cheap charlie sex says:

    Have you reconciled by having a lovefest with those sex starved hotties?

  68. Real Yea Yea Yea Legacy of hookers and whores and stupidity says:

    Michael Francis Smith of Spuul.com stayed at the apartment on the third floor of the Big Mango Bar on his last visit.

    Many Mango customers know this as the former short time room where you could take Mango girls for sex and save the cost of a room. 

    Does this sound like a man who “no longer has an interest” in a Bangkok brothel and no longer has anything to do with human trafficking and making money off prostitution?

     The legacy of hookers, whores, and stupidity is still there.  

  69. Big Mango Bumfluff says:

    It’s good to know Michael Francis Smith is still a pimp. I wonder if he had that detailed on his CV when he applied for his job at Spuul. A modern employer should not discriminate against this. Being a pimp is looked up to these days, really it is

  70. LONELY BOXJAW ASIAN SOCIETY says:

    You are angry kenny. Angry that ugly thai whores wont service you

  71. LONELY BOXJAW ASIAN SOCIETY says:

    You are angry kenny. Angry that you’ll soon be unemployed

  72. LONELY BOXJAW ASIAN SOCIETY says:

    The real legacy of kenny is his hate and stupidity

  73. Skidmarks says:

    As if these smug Assholes didn’t deserve it. Whats this excuse blaming it on the GFC? What a load of bullshit. They are incompetent idiots, thats why their business failed, no other reason. To top it off having a PR team of DaffyDuck and BigblackGulliver cemented their failure
    They can go fuck themsleves as far as I’m concerned, a bunch of arrogant wankers.  Kenny must be laughing all the way to his office
    Went to the mango once and never returned due to the fuckwits behind the bar, say no more. F for failure you arrogant farang fuckers. Hope you never return to Bangkok, I don’t ever want to see you fuckwits again

  74. Protonic says:

    DaffyDuck and Big Black Gulliver joined the Mango Team after the customers had already left.

    They tried to market themselves as “cool cats” that newbies would want to hang out with and be like.

    The problem was that the guys that actually found them through their blog and showed up at the bar were a bunch of fat greasy losers that couldn’t get laid at home and wanted to be taken into the group and whore with the “cool cats” of The Big Mango.

    Think of a busful of Daffy Ducks, Big Black Gullivers, Young Penfolds, Pattaya Ghosts, and Werewolfs begging to hang out with you every night.

    Nick and Michael wanted nothing to do with them.

    So their original concept was flawed and the slide to failure had begun.

    It had nothing to do twith the GFC.

    It was 100% their own fault.

    Doesn’t surprise me that they try to blame their failure on anything but themselves. Only human nature.
    The funny thing is that I hung out at the Mango when Kenny was around and he didn’t want anything to do with Nick and Michael either.

    Kenny never asked to go out with them and never invited them on any of his road trips or G-Club explorations.

    Kenny just dropped in once in awhile, was friendly to everyone and disappeared to do his own thing.
    The only reason anyone ever found out who BigBabyKenny was is Nick would point him out when he came to a party.

    You only found out later what Kenny was doing when he wrote something for the blog or later when he wrote for his own blog.

    Take my word for it. Nick, Michael, and the crew of suck ups were very surprised that Kenny was fucking girls that they didn’t even know existed and going to places they had never heard of.

    Thats when all the hate began.

  75. Not Prufrock says:

    Well, true to form it didn’t take long for Kenny’s damage control to set up and start the kicking.

    >>Agree. the fued with Kenny had didn’t bring them down. It was bad marketing.<<

    hehehehehhohohohohhahahaha.

    I’m fascinated with the number of marketing geniuses we see populating Bangkok’s bars and brothels. If they’re all such geniuses why don’t I see them at Spasso’s and Tapas and Telephone ?

    >>Letting homo penfold be their poster boy,<< was bad marketing?  

    No. It was actually great marketing. Until Penfold’s appearance and subsequent iconozation at the Mango, Bangkok’s affluent closet-queen sector had been totally overlooked, totally. Wro-ong ! Big mistake. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

    Thanks to Steve Green’s tireless popularizing of same-sex activity and his tireless efforts to bring same-sex pleasuring into the mainstream the Mango can count on a steady stream of no-longer-so-secret lady-boy lickers to drop in to bar’s kitchy new bank of urinals for warm-up “cocktails”  in luxurious spa-like surroundings.  

    Kenny’s neanderthal homophobes in attacking the Mango’s clientele overlook the fact that oral sex/same sex activity with either sex involves virtually identical fluids.

    The one that some of us prefer just has seeds in it, is all.  Sadly, old prejudice dies hard.

    >>mistreating customers, and being too cliquish killed the feel good vibe.

    << Look, there were hangers-on who showed up at “our” bar who just didn’t belong. Our customer base is nothing if it isn’t all about wa-a-a-a-a-a-y cool.

    I mean what are you going to do with an over fifty window-licker in a cool place like Bossy or Spicy? They needed to be replaced slim trim athletic types with an active appreciation for semi-nude sports like MMA skateboarding and UFC.  

    Who wants to hang out with that loser crowd?  >>Maybe if you have daddy issues like ZInk but nobody wants to have to kiss ass to be one of the Mango boys and feel welcome at a bar. << Show me where I said that I kiss anybody’s ass.

    I may get down there spread their ass-cheeks and go after that rusty sherriff’s badge pucker-cheddar like a starving dingo on a sun-baked ‘roo carcass. hehehehehe but I don’t kiss.

    Kissing’s for my man Big Black Gulliver.

    (“Hold that throat yoghurt, cowboy . . . till later.)

    Kenny is a liar.

    Bigger and better than ever, our bolder than ever Mango is just s-o-o-o-o-o-o  w-a-a-a-a-a-y open for business I feel a raging stinker coming on.
    The Mango is “OUT”  Penfold loves the fantastic street views to be had of his “moments of shame”. Yes that’s a fact. Steve’s in-house horn-swoggles and other bar tricks can be enjoyed from the soi itself. That’s right.

    Yes, that’s right. We’ve retained notorious knob gobbling Steve Green in a nightly performance featurette schedule. It’s the Mango’s sure-fire fluffer for that exciting pre-Cascade toilet session.

    (Have you seen my “new” site?  Don’t be a stranger.)

  76. Protonic says:

    Along with Kenny, Werewolf was also one of the nice people who hung out at the Mango.

    He stayed out of everyones way and just wanted to be included in the “cool crowd” but Nick and Michael wouldn’t annoit him.

    Even though Werewolf never said a bad word about anyone and promoted the Mango on his blog, he wasn’t cool enough.

    Maybe they thought he was too fat or he got too drunk but they never invited him along when they went bar hopping. It was sad they treated Werewolf so shabbily. He’s really got a good heart and wouldn’t harm a fly. Sort of like a big fat bangkok buddy.

    When Kenny befriended him and took him along and showed him all the G-Clubs, Suthisan GoGo bars, invited him on the esarn road trips, and introduced Werewolf to his hiso friends, the mango crowd really came down on him and told him that if he was going to be Kenny’s friend then he wasn’t welcome at the mango.

    Give werewolf credit. Kenny gave werewolf respect he didn’t deserve and loyal werewold told the mango boys to go fuck themselves. 

    Thats why for a long time he wasn’t welcome there.  

  77. Passing Through says:

    After reading this and other posts I’ve come to the conclusion that the only worthwhile comments are those which point out

    -the owner of this blog is very angry at anyone associated with the Big Mango.

    -the owner of this blog is using a number of different names to promote his negative propaganda.

    -the owner of this blog alters the content of comments if it doesn’t support his agenda.

  78. Legacy of Big Baby Kenny says:

    You got that right. Kenny loves to delete and change comments. Especially if the comment contains a link to the Big Dummy Kenny website.

  79. Its good to know the truth says:

    Thank you Protonic for pointing out what a bunch of assholes the Mango management team are, as well as their bunch of greasy fat  suck ups

    My wallet will never open in this bar. My pants on the other hand probably will when I take a piss on their pool table

    Hahahahahaha
     

  80. It's good to know kenny says:

    is still using sock puppets to support himself.

  81. Frederic Hayek says:

    Yes. The free market works. Crap businesses that sell a shoddy product lose customers and go out of business. Sounds like the Big Mango to me. 

  82. Protonic says:

    I am not a sock puppet. 

  83. Response to Big Mango Bumfluff says:

    Of course he didn’t reveal it on his resume. Admitting that he is an owner/manager of a Bangkok Brothel, a fact that can be verified by going to the Big Mango Bar Blog at BigMangoBar.com , would be a disqualifier for any job at any publicly traded corporation, e.g. Yahoo.
     
    Same logic applies to Nicholas Dattoma. I am sure his resume doesn’t list his ownership and management of a Bangkok brothel.

    Lying on his resume was the most likely reason Michael Francis Smith left Yahoo.  
     

  84. Professor of Porn says:

    Kenny, next time you’re going to pick up a whore at least make sure she’s not an ugly slapper.

  85. Proffessor of Porn says:

    Kenny

    Next time you’re going to pick up a whore at least make sure she’s not an ugly slapper.

  86. Kenny loves the Suk Whores says:

    Next time you’re going to pick up a whore at least make sure she’s not an ugly slapper.

  87. Kenny loves the Suk Whores says:

    Wonder if negotiating cheaper hooker prices is on Kenny’s resume.

  88. Kenny loves the Suk Whores says:

    Wonder if running a sex tourism website is on kenny’s resume.

  89. Kenny loves the Suk Whores says:

    Wonder if setting a sexual harassment lawsuit is on kenny’s resume.

  90. Kenny loves the Suk Whores says:

    Wonder if going to rural isan karaoke bars for underage girls is on kenny’s resume

  91. Voice of Reason II says:

    Have you ever visited the Big Mango Bar? If you only read the blogs you would think it was some huge sports bar like Gullivers that had hundreds of customers, sold 100,000′s of baht of food and drink every day, and had dozens of employees. When you visit the bar and realize it really is off the beaten track, down an alley, without even a sign on the main street, and that it is only 5 meters wide and 20 meters deep with two floors and a single service bar, you have to scratch your head and wonder how the owners ever got so excited that Kenny criticized their bar. It like the owner of the hamburger cart at the entrance to Nana hiring a hit man because someone on the internet said their burger tasted bad.

    Any normal person who has followed this whole affair, has got to conclude that everyone involved are people of bad character, failures in life, and people to be avoided.
     
    If you are going to live in Thailand, choose your friends carefully. Q.E.D.

     

  92. Dear Mr. Obvious says:

    Michael Francis Smith, Nicholas Dattoma, and Graham Jones started, promoted, and still own the Big Mango Bar.
    The bar recruits young poor uneducated girls to work as prostitutes in their business and for the last 8 years every time these girls sold their bodies money went into the pockets of Michael Francis Smith, Nicholas Dattoma, and Graham Jones.
    These human cockroaches still own the bar, still comment regularly on their blog, still make money off these girls, and still brag in print about “showing customers a good time” when they come to Bangkok. 
    Two of them have been forced to get jobs in the IT industry because their Mango money isn’t enough to live on but they still own the Mango and money still goes into their pockets every time their “employees” spread their legs, bend over, or get down on their knees. 
    Where did you get the line “people who were once associated with it”?
    They were not just “associated” with the prostitution and human trafficking. They started their business, promoted it on the internet, sold shares in it to investors, moved it to new location, recently remodeled that relocation, recently paid Stickman for an advertisement masquerading as an article where Stickman promoted Graham Jones as a great bar owner and they still recruit and employ prostitutes.
    END OF STORY!

  93. Pimps and Hos and Thai Hookers and Sluts and Bangkok and Pattaya and Cheap Slut Gogo Girls and San Fernando Valley and Kenny says:

    kenny kenny kenny

    still spreading the hate.

    tisk tisk

  94. Kenny is still angry at the big mango says:

    because he was turned down for service

  95. Uncle Frank says:

    Kenny is still angry at the Big Mango. Well duhhhhh. Big news there.

  96. Uncle Frank says:

    Mr. Kenny, don’t you know it’s obvious the “Dear Mr. Obvious” comment is you?

  97. Protonic says:

    Why would Kenny be angry?

    The Big Mango has failed. The doors are still open but Graham admitted on their blog that it is not making a lot of money. It will certainly close next year when the lease runs out. 

    Michael and Nick were forced to leave Thailand and give up their dreams of “Big Pimpin” and become low paid IT drones in third world countries (India on a budget is really a hell on earth BTW).

    Michael was fired from his Yahoo job because of his connection with prostitution and the sex trade (note I didn’t use the phrase “human trafficking” which is inaccurate). Most likely he got the Yahoo job before his “sex business” was common knowledge around the IT community.

    Both are unable to return to the U.S. because no U.S. company will hire people with “owned a sex business in Thailand” on their resume. Absent burger flipping at McDonald’s they have no way to make a living in the U.S. You might have noticed the U.S. job market is not exactly buzzing these days. 

    I am calling Graham the big winner is this debacle. He is still rich and enjoying his life. He might have lost some money dabbling in Thailand but it doesn’t seem to matter to him.

    I guess you can call Kenny a winner because Nick and Michael tried to beat him up (literally) and ended up destroying themselves instead.  Ironic. 

  98. RED EYES says:

    It’s obvious Kenny still has it out for those guys. Look at the comments he continues to post under anyone’s name but his own. That includes the previous comment repeating many of the same falsehoods he has repeated over the years.

    Some people never learn and never change.

  99. Observer says:

    Protonic you make a lot of sense, its interesting to learn the Big Mango bar is in the shitter with 2 of its owners having to work in third world countries to help pay the lease. If they were businessmen of any ability they would not have to go overseas to work, frantically trying to support a failing operation. It’s quite satistying watching these idiots screw up considering what they did to Kenny
     

  100. You make no sense kenny. Pretending to have a conversation where you claim you've won says:

    and then you continue week after week to go after them shows how spite and hate you still hold against them.

  101. Ignoring The Fool says:

    Forget it RED EYES. It’s nothing but the Kenny sockpuppet smoke and mirror fucktard show.

  102. Bangkok Whores and Streetwalkers Say says:

    They still won’t go with you Kenny. Is that on your resume?

    Hahaha hehehe hohoho

  103. Truth Reporter says:

    THE BIG MANGO FAILED BECAUSE RIOTING IN THE STREETS CHASED AWAY ALL THE TOURISTS!

    You fucking morons get it now?

    The owners were great businessmen. They just got unlucky.

    Get it you fucktards?

  104. Observer says:

    Isn’t it telling when the truth comes out thanks to people like Protonic the big mango bullies scurry out of their shitholes & immediately post their juvenile one liners ……”Oh its just Kenny posting as a sockie”……”Kennys that was 3 years ago, just drop it” 

    The one line replies are quite obviously the same posters as the mango blog posters, they have the same elementary use of diction & grammatical errors. Not unexpected considering the type of patron the bar attracts 

    These Thicko’s aren’t known for their intellectual abilty are they? Just grunting & paying a $20 bar fine for a prostitute from the Big Mango  Bar

  105. Cali Insider says:

    Very observant RED EYES. You are correct. Kenny is still angry and one only need to look at the comments he’s deleted like the one from Mr. Obvious which has disappeared. Yet the response “Dear Mr. Obvious” remains.

    Kenny is ‘on the rampage’ because the rumor is he will soon no longer have a job. He is striking back at the only way he feels he can. By using sock puppets he can get his revenge by repeating the same half-truths and outright lies while hiding behind these names.

    Look at the post where he claimed they threatened to kill him. Now in his latest claim, he’s saying they threatened to beat him up. He has never provided any proof of when or how he received the threats.

    So this website is all he has to right the great wrongs that he feels he has suffered when in fact brought upon himself. It comes down to Kenny stirring up the muck all over again because he still doesn’t feel he’s gotten his pound of flesh.

  106. Cali Insider says:

    Also, don’t waste your time responding to Kenny. He wants to appear disinterested in the whole affair, while at the same time proving he has been so wronged that others will take up his fight. That’s the other reason he comments under other names.

  107. Oh yeah says:

    I think the big mango bar works on the premise “any publicity is good publicity”

    Well guys, aint nothing “good” coming out of this mess, Its all B.A.D 

    Just like Lance Armstrong, 55555
     

  108. Agree says:

    ^ Yes I agree, it’s Chequers bar for me

    Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Sam Bathingwaite
    Chong Nonsi
    Bangkok
     

  109. Seriously says:

    Seriously, you guys need to get laid

  110. Truth Reporter says:

    DID ANYONE NOTICE THE BANGKOK AIRPORT WAS CLOSED FOR A MONTH!

    You fucking morons think that might have something to do with The Mango failing?

    Do you expect all the mongers to canoe from England to Southeast Asia?

    The Mango failed because of bad luck not bad management.

    END OF STORY! 

  111. DTR says:

    @protonic

    All GoGo and beer bars, including The Big Mango, have a monthly or weekly meeting, attendance required, where the mamasan and manager listen to the girls and find out what is going right and wrong in the bar.

    The girls tell the mamasan and manager what is preventing them from barfining. Maybe the music is too loud for conversation. Maybe the girl drink prices are not competetive. Maybe getting up to go dance on stage is happening too frequently. We listen and try to make positive changes. If the girls are barfining then they are happy and the bar is making money.

    The girls also share tips about how to sell drinks and get barfined. What approaches work and what turns guys off. They also share tips on how to get the most in fees for having sex. The successful long time girls help the newbies get in the groove. At a well run successful GoGo or beer bar it is really a team effort. When the girls are barfining and everyone is making money the bar has a feel good vibe which gives the place an electric feel that  juices everybody up and feeds the action.  

    Bottom line. Each girl has to meet her barfine quota or the bar will lose money on them. Its simple math. A girls salary might be 25,000 per month. She has to barfine and girl drink enough that the bar gets the 25,000 back. She can sell 500 girl drinks becaus we make 50% on them or she can barfine 40 times per month because we get 600 per barfine. If a girl can’t do that then we let her go because she is not paying for herself.

    The Big Mango bar is no different. Every girl has to do her quota or she is going to get fired.

    BTW, the barfine is not prostitution because the customer is only paying to release the girl from work. He is not paying for sex. Technically speaking that is.

    DTR

  112. ZZZ says:

    Kenny you’re such a fool. You’re on here every day editing and deleting comments you don’t like, but other than the 2 comments about the malware that you first said you didn’t have (and then later commented that you had removed from this site) you have not commented using your own BBK name since July 3, 2010. You’re quite a coward Kenny. Hiding behind dozens of names as you try to fool the readers into believing that it’s not you continuing your hate filled attacks against the Big Mango. Not to mention that it’s not working. Readership on the Big Mango blog is reportedly way up as is the number of customers.

    Your obsession is unhealthy and shows anyone visiting this site that you’re a very resentful and angry person. You have only yourself to blame for your situation as you could have stopped years ago but chose not to.

  113. SWSM is Kenny Speak For Street Walker Super Market Whores Hookers Prostitutes for Sex Tourists says:

    BigBabyKenny’s Legacy statement

    “Here we try to blow away the smokescreens other sites are blowing to obfuscate the truth.

    All to serve the higher purpose of getting laid better, cheaper, and more efficiently.”

  114. SWSM is Kenny Speak For Street Walker Super Market Whores Hookers Prostitutes for Sex Tourists says:

    BigBabyKenny’s Legacy statement here!

    “Here we try to blow away the smokescreens other sites are blowing to obfuscate the truth.

    All to serve the higher purpose of getting laid better, cheaper, and more efficiently.”

  115. SWSM is Kenny Speak For Street Walker Super Market Whores Hookers Prostitutes for Sex Tourists says:

    Mates! Let’s all SWSM. Negotiate sex with streetwalkers.

  116. Truth Reporter says:

    ZZZ are you the unofficial spokesperson for The Big Mango?

    You must have inside information to know that  “Readership on the Big Mango blog is reportedly way up as is the number of customers.”

    Since you work at The Big Mango can you tell us anymore good news about the bar?

    How is the new manager working out?

    Why was Penfold fired? Two rumors floating around the blogospehere. He was selling methamphetamine out of the bar and the owners were afraid of a police raid or he kept showing up drunk and high for work and wasn’t doing his job minding the store. Which was it?

  117. Protonic says:

    Honestly reading the recent comments on BigBabyKenny.com, the Mango Boys are the ones who seem angry.

    I am assuming all the anti-Kenny comments come from The Mango Boys or their supporters. 

    Kenny and his sockpuppets seems to be hitting home with all the sex trafficking and prostitution comments directed at  Nick and Michael. It really seems to be having an effect on them. No way these are boosting their employment prospects. 

    Kenny and Graham are the happy ones. Graham is still rich, being featured on Stickman as a successful bar owner  and all around good guy, while Nick and Michael are exiled to 3rd world hellholes and 9 to 5’s.

    Neither can be making much scratch given 3rd world salaries. Living in Singapore on a budget is no holiday and India is hell on earth. 

  118. New York Times Critic says:

    @ZZZ

    Since you are speaking unofficially for the The Big Mango, can you answer some questions?

    When does the Big Mango lease expire?

    The bar was put up for sale and there were no takers. The situation is not going to change in the next year. When the lease is up, if a buyer still can’t be found will the owners close the bar?

    What about Michael Smith and Nicholas’ Dattoma’s ownership of the bar? They have left Thailand and aren’t running and managing the bar like they used. They aren’t in the bar on a daily basis but do they still own their shares of the Amity corporation that is the legal owner?

    Until there is an answer to this question, the claim of Michael Smith that he is “not involved” in prostitution sound a bit absurd.  

     

  119. Fucktard for Fucktards says:

    ZZZ, You nailed it! Dont answer Kennys sockpuppets. Let him use his own nick to ask questions.

    Like you said, He wont cause he’s a coward!

  120. Uh Huh says:

    Such a shame, it could have been such a good bar, but they turned into haters & slanderers

    Who wants to work in India? The Dehli Belly never goes away. Who wants to work in Singapore? Too expensive, too strict. No decent pussy in either places guys. Its all here, but you know that

    You should have behaved yourselves

  121. The Judge says:

    Damn straight Triple-Z. Let Kenny come out from behind his made up monikers if he wants answers.

  122. Truth Reporter says:

    The saddest aspect of Nick and Michael’s lives is that there is a tech boom going on in Silicon Valley right now.

    Hordes of IT professionals are getting placement at startups in exchange for stock options that will make them rich if the company succeeds. 

    Meanwhile, Michael and Nick are stuck in Singapore working for a streaming video site and and as a network administrator in India, respectively.

    If they didn’t have the “owned a sex business in Bangkok” line on their resume, they could move back to California and get in on the boom. 

    It will take another 20 years for the next boom to come along.  🙂

     

  123. DTR says:

    @Truth Reporter.

    Most GoGo bar leases are for 3 years with a negotiated 3 year extension.

    The Mango Boys made a big mistake when they opened their original bar in Nana Plaza by not negotiating the 3 year extension when they originally signed the lease.

    No surprise they made money and when the lease came up their landlord asked for a big increase. The landlord was not bound to keep leasing at the same price and it would have been poor business for to do so. You can expect the Nana landlord to know the economics of GoGo bars and have an accurate idea of what each bar is making and how much rent they can pay.  Smart money would have negotiated the increase for the 3 year extension before making a big investment in marketing and building out their bar but The Mango Boys were not smart money. 

    It also wasn’t smart money spent to build the bar at their current location. Look at Soi 4 from Nana Plaza all the way down to the Ibis Hotel. There hasn’t been a single successful bar with the business model The Mango Boys are using. Hilary makes money but they are police owned and  a completely different operation than the Big Mango. 

    My advice in turning around the bar would be to start by putting a big sign out on Soi 4, Next suit up their best looking girls in sexy outfits and send them out to the street to promote the bar and rope in some customers. They way things are now foot traffic doesn’t even know the bar is there. 

    The Mango Boys are big boys. They made their decisions and have to live with the consequences.

    DTR

     

  124. Protonic says:

    The original business plan of the Mango Boys had 3 dimensions.

    1. Prostitution. They hired young girls, had them come to work half naked, paid them a commission on drinks and took a fee when they had sex with the customers. The girls could to the John’s hotels for the sex or could use one of the short time hotels located in Nana Plaza.

    2. Meet up place. Placed right at the entrance to Nana Plaza and with an view of the central plaza and everyone coming and going it was marketed as a place to meet your friends before you went to the other sex businesses in Nana, e.g Rainbow 4, Anglewitch, Cascade. etc.   

    3. Sex Tours. Nicholas and Michael were “cool cats” who were experts on the local sex scene including sex venues away from the traditional and easy to find Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong. VIP customers would be taken out by Nicholas and Michael to “special” places and shown how to hook up with a higher level prostitutes, e.g. The Pent, Poisiden, and The Resort, etc.  
     
    The plan worked at first. They had an attractive bullpen of girls, a nice outside balcony with a view of the action, and  a steady stream of tourists who were taken around to various Bangkok sex venues. 

    The plan collapsed when they lost their lease and couldn’t find another suitable location.  

    All the money they had poured into building out their bar including remodeling the upstairs pool room was lost. There was no way to take all of the improvements like the bar, the flooring, the paint on the walls, the toilets, etc. to a new location and their initial capital evaporated. This is when their financial problems got started. 

  125. Purple Outer says:

    “I found K”

    I’ll never forget that day.  Smells like victory!    

    You lost Kenny, your outed, tagged as a sex tourist and a disgrace. 

    Keep swinging at a target you’ll never hit.

    ps Your a pussy cause you don’t post under your own name. 

  126. Traveling Tim says:

    Why doesn’t the admin comment using his own name? Is he afraid?

  127. We ARe Back says:

    Your so full of crap protonic.

    You call taking a taxi to Suthisan a sex tour?

    What’s special about Suthisan except it’s a sewer? 

  128. New York Times Critic says:

    I have to side with Protonic on this one. 

    In the recent Stickman piece on the Mango, Graham mentions specifically that he “helps newbies”. He is referring to taking his customers around Bangkok to various sex businesses to have sex with the prostitutes. 

  129. Uh Huh says:

    Whats that fuckhead Graham Jones up to these days? I’d love to have a beer with him

    Not to drink but pour over his fucking head

    You mother fucker

     

  130. Chronologically Speaking says:

    Kenny, you got the order of your last couple comments wrong.

    First you should ask what someone is doing as you did using the UH HUH name.

    Then you answer that question as you did using the NEW YORK TIMES CRITIC name.

    You’re slipping Ken. You can’t even get simple attacks straight anymore.

  131. Truth Reporter says:

    Chronologically Speaking = Big Mango Spokesperson.

    Dear Mango Spokesperson,

    Can you answer New York Times Critic’s questions.

     When does the Big Mango lease expire?
    The bar was put up for sale and there were no takers. The situation is not going to change in the next year. When the lease is up, if a buyer still can’t be found will the owners close the bar?
    What about Michael Smith and Nicholas’ Dattoma’s ownership of the bar? They have left Thailand and aren’t running and managing the bar like they used. They aren’t in the bar on a daily basis but do they still own their shares of the Amity corporation that is the legal owner?
    Until there is an answer to this question, the claim of Michael Smith that he is “not involved” in prostitution sound a bit absurd.  

  132. Uh Huh says:

    I am not Kenny.

  133. Freedom says:

    I like this blog because the valuable gems of truth are never deleted. So we get the real picture of the sham over at the Mango bar, & the incompetent goofs running it

    We now know to look past the bullshit spin on their bar blog, look past the totally false “friendly banter”, knowing one wrong move, however well intentioned, one out of place remark & the sad old men  that moderate it will delete your posts

    Not here

  134. Curious George says:

    After reading this thread of trash, I also side with those asking why Kenny is hiding behind the names of others instead of posting under his own. He has an agenda and it obviously trying to hide it.

    I also agree that he is a hater. It’s evident this blog is not an even playing field if someone disagrees. As noted from other comments, the moderator alters or deletes comments that he does not agree with and continues to go after those he blames for his own failings.

    This blog is a waste of time. Whoever started it is a loser.

    I shall not return.

  135. Oh Yeah says:

    Here here Freedom.

    It never ceases to amaze me when Bangkok bar owners hide behind the BS line “its not prostitution.” “Our customers are only paying for the girls to get off work.”

    What crap.

    Guys like Nick, Michael and Graham are pimps. Pure and simple.

    They hire women to have sex with their customers and make money from every blowjob, fuck, and whatever nasty disgusting shit their customers subject the girls to.

    The girls do it because they are poor and have no alternative way to feed themselves and their families.  

    If they have no moral problem with this then they should at least have the balls to man up and take responsibility for what they are doing.

    Michael and Nick claiming they have nothing to do with exploiting poor young women is pure bull shit. 

  136. We ARe Back says:

    Full of crap Oh Yeah.
    The girls working as “prostitutes” are there because they choose to be there.
    The Mango is no different from General Motors. They advertise a job. People that want to work come to them.
    No one forces the girls to be prostitutes. They want to be.
    Has it ever occurred to you that the pay is pretty good for easy work?
    Michael and Nick are humanitarians. The girls working for them as “prostitutes” have better lives working for the Mango and having sex with their  customers for money than they would in any other job they could get.
    And don’t forget about Mom and Pop back in  Buriram who are getting a heart transplant because of the money the mango “prostitutes” are sending home.

    END OF STORY! 

  137. Ronnie says:

    Looks to me the owner of this blog won’t comment using his own name because this thing is on it’s last legs and he wants it to appear there is still conversation going on to revive it.

    What a douche. Get a life buddy.

  138. Biologically Speaking says:

    Sounds the relationship Kenny had with the Big Mango was the perfect symbiotic relationship. Kenny couldn’t get women to go out with him in Cali so he traveled to Thailand to barfine girls to go out with. The Big Mango made money on the barfines and the money Kenny spend on boozing up the girls to have sex with him.

    Too bad for Kenny the girls could still say no even after he paid the barfine because he wasn’t smart enough to negotiate service up front.

    Live and Learn.

    END OF STORY

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  140. Kenny's Lifetime Creed says:

    May be “All to serve the higher purpose of getting laid better, cheaper, and more efficiently.”

    EOM

  141. BTW says:

    The Saphan Loy site ROCKS!

  142. BTW says:

    You fought a good fight Kenny.

    But, you lost.

    Live and Learn.

  143. SEO SEO Soooooo good. says:

    Sudesh Iyer of Spuul.com employs Human Trafficker Michael Francis Smith Formerly of Yahoo.

    Nicholas Dattoma exploits poor women from 3rd world countries by forcing them into a life of prostitution.

    Hahahahahahaha. 

  144. Mario says:

    Can’t believe you’re still carrying on about the big mango Kenny. Get a hobby.

  145. Mario says:

    Here’s an idea: maybe write an economics paper.

    Might help your professional career. Couldn’t hurt.

  146. Subway Wanderer says:

    You got turned down by an ugly Thai hooker?!?!

    Dude.

  147. Its Dead Jim says:

    Nicholas Dattoma must find the prostitution scene in India a disappointment after being a pimp & self appointed cock of the walk in the Bangkok sex industry. Sadly he’s now just a cock

    Who moves from Bangkok to India because the nightlife is better? Nobody does
    Who moves from Bangkok to India in a desperate attempt to secure a job to keep a struggling bar afloat?  Nicholas does

  148. Telling You The Way It Is says:

    Judging from the recent comments it’s easy to see Kenny is angry that he’s about to be fired from his job and is blaming Michael and Nick for it.

  149. Sudesh Iyer Spuul.com says:

    What’s wrong with my Chief Technology Officer being involved with human trafficking, prostitution, and owning a sex business in Bangkok?

    That’s what Spuul.com stands for.

    Michael Francis Smith is my man.

    Yeah! 

  150. What is the purpose of this site?  Does the owner of this blog know that his students read this mess?  Does he care?  Why does he not respond to questions?

  151. ...... ... says:

    Yes, we do read this site.

    We also make comments, such as this.

    Kenny, you’re a complete jerkoff and horrible at your job.

  152. .......... says:

    And one other thing. California can’t fire you fast enough.

  153. Another one of ........ says:

    I liked doing that exercise in class where we bought & sold shares in various make believe companies and the winner was the first to make $10,000. I bought a large quantity of shares in a company in the Far East  by the name of big mango bar. I knew  my Asian Tiger company would mark me as an astute businessman and savvy investor

    Boy was I in for a surprise. I found out the books had being cooked & monthly revenue grossly exaggerated. The company was losing money like there was n tomorrow & 2 of the 3 directors had fled the country for fear of being beaten up by disgruntled investors

    I lost all my money & I’m embarrassed to say I was the first 1 thrown out of our business school  competition 🙁 🙁 .I’m just glad it was all an exercise & not real life

  154. Extra...... says:

    I liked the ….. were we simulated negotiating with Asian hookers for the lowest possible price. That was really a fun assignment because I had a 1/2 Asian girl I was partnered with and she accepted a really low price. I felt like a kid in a candy shop.

  155. Secret bar owner pimp says:

    ^ You were working with a half breed mongrel during class? Shame on you. I hope your parents didn’t find out. This would never happen in England

    I’m not surprised she was offered the lowest price as a prostitute . Bring her to my bar on Soi4, its waaay down a dark alley. She’ll fit right in with my other girls

    GJ 

  156. Sudesh Iyer Spuul.com says:

    Human Trafficing.Michael Francis Smith Spuul.comNicholas Dattoma BEA SystemsHarry Zink Fizbin ConsultingSex tours. Sex tours. Sex tours.  

  157. Extra Credit Score says:

    Class assignments where we simulate free market negotiations for sex rock!

  158. Extra Credit Score says:

    Buy us all ice cream.

  159. Extra Credit Score says:

    Freedom of speech bullshit on BBK. Why are comments censored?

  160. Never Been a Mango Customer says:

    I will NEVER patronize The Big Mango after reading this site. It’s got nothing to do with the morality of supporting human trafficers and people who prey on poor young girls and force the into prostitution. It’s because I have a life in my home country and I don’t want to end up a target like Kenny, Clayton Wade, Marc Holt, and Paul Owen.

    Walk into The Big Mango and next thing you know you are the subject of a hate campaign on the internet. 

    The Mango Owners did it to Kenny and the people who comment on their blog have a history of it. 

    Look at the Harry Zink, the Mango’s #1 customer. 
    He arranges to meet people at a bar or restaurant in Bangkok, collects their names, email addresses, home addresses, their marital status, their phone number, and other personal information and, just like Keith Summers, uses his site to attack them.
     
    Once he has your personal information, the next thing you know, you are being falsely accused of being a pedophile and child molester on the internet, being spammed with hate mail, and your loved ones and friends back in Europe or the USA are being called in the middle of the night or contacted electronically and being “informed” that you are having sex with prostitutes and children.
     
    Harry Zink aka Daffy Duck has already done his routine on multiple Expats in Bangkok.
     
    I don’t want to be the next one. That’s why I will never patronize The Big Mango and the owners, in my opinion, are the scum of the earth. 

  161. Photography Monthly Editor says:

    Daffy Duck has unwittingly swiped from Kenny the photographer of the month award with his outstanding shot of the Erawan Shrine, all the more commendable as it was likely taken from his smart phone, as opposed to Kennys standard, the DSLR super camera with tripod

    There could be a job waiting for Daffy as Kennys photography assistant if he keeps this up

  162. Photo Consultant says:

    Daffy’s demonstrates a keener photography eye, with richer content in higher quality using a camera phone. Kenny should hand over his DSLR to Daffy and be his assistant.

  163. Official Biographer says:

    Michael Smith Jr.

    Director Yahoo! Developer Network, Yahoo! Southeast Asia

    As Director of the Yahoo Developer Network (developer.yahoo.com) in Southeast Asia, Michael Smith Jr. is responsible for creating the technical evangelism programs for developers as well as working with startups and government agencies to help foster internet/mobile growth across the region.

    This is part of Yahoo!’s goal to give back to the Developer community across the region while allowing them the chance to build on the Yahoo! platform and expand the range of content and applications for our internet users.

    Prior to Yahoo!, Michael has been living in Thailand studying Thai, working within the technology startups across Southeast Asia and consulting with various companies across the region on their social media strategies.

    Before moving to Thailand Michael worked for BEA Systems, Inc. in Hong Kong while managing their developer marketing strategies for Asia Pacific.
    Michael also previously served as a Junior CTO at BEA Systems in the Americas and worked at WebLogic – a company that was acquired by BEA Systems.

    Michael obtained is Associates Degree in Computer Science, has studied Thai extensively and enjoys traveling around Asia.

  164. UnOfficial Biographer says:

    Michael Smith Jr.

    Director Yahoo! Developer Network, Yahoo! Southeast Asia

    As Director of the Yahoo Developer Network (developer.yahoo.com) in Southeast Asia, Michael Smith Jr. is responsible for creating the technical evangelism programs for developers as well as working with startups and government agencies to help foster internet/mobile growth across the region.

    This is part of Yahoo!’s goal to give back to the Developer community across the region while allowing them the chance to build on the Yahoo! platform and expand the range of content and applications for our internet users.

    Prior to Yahoo!, Michael has been living in Thailand studying Thai, working within the technology startups across Southeast Asia and consulting with various companies across the region on their social media strategies.

    While in Thailand, Michael started a bar brothel that kept prostitutes on staff and helped newbies navigate the sex businesses of Thailand by offering advice and taking customers on  tours of the local sex businesses. Young girls from all over Southeast Asia were human trafficked and brought to the bar to work as prostitutes where they were required to have sex with multiple customers per month and entice customers to buy drinks or have their pay cut. Michael is currently an owner but takes no part in day to day management of the bar brothel.

    Before moving to Thailand Michael worked for BEA Systems, Inc. in Hong Kong while managing their developer marketing strategies for Asia Pacific.

    Michael also previously served as a Junior CTO at BEA Systems in the Americas and worked at WebLogic – a company that was acquired by BEA Systems.

    Michael obtained is Associates Degree in Computer Science, has studied Thai extensively and enjoys traveling around Asia.

  165. Unemployed Educator says:

    Kenny, did you find a new job yet?

  166. Sudesh Iyer Spuul.com SEO says:

    While in Thailand, Michael Smith started a bar brothel that kept prostitutes on staff and helped newbies navigate the sex businesses of Thailand by offering advice and taking customers on  tours of the local sex businesses. Young girls from all over Southeast Asia were human trafficked and brought to the bar to work as prostitutes where they were required to have sex with multiple customers per month and entice customers to buy drinks or have their pay cut. Michael is currently an owner but takes no part in day to day management of the bar brothel.

  167. Say no to Pimps says:

    Is this the clown who works in India renting out bollywood dvd’s or is that the other mango pimp?

    If you think the pool table at mango bar is damp, thats just me having pissed all over it, 5555555

    long live this blog, it keeps the mango pimps & their loser hanger-ons worried

  168. mark says:

    why dont sockpuppets lay off mango. they come bangkok with big dreams. they lose their stash and leave town in disgrace. leave them alone they no hurt noone today. 

  169. Asit were says:

    He can’t lay off. Kennys still sore he got dissed by one of the girls

    Aint nobody wanna go out with no boxjaw monkey lookin dude

  170. Fake W says:

    I think Kenny is sore because he got outed.  Just like he did to me!

  171. Its Dead Jim says:

    They all left. Even Graham doesn’t spend much time in Bangkok.
    They hired a caretaker manager to keep the bar open until the lease is up.  

  172. Say no to Pimps says:

    You’re right Scotty, its all about saving face now but I don’t know why they bother. They have come across as financial fucktards for years now, what do they hope to achieve by waiting until the lease expires? Just close it and run – like the other 2 have already

  173. Mr. Sarcasm says:

    Hard to believe white trailer trash with a community college degree failed running a Bangok brothel. 

    Hard to believe he went on to fail in his Yahoo career.

    Hard to believe no American company will hire someone with “ownership of a Thailand sex business” on his resume.

     Hard to believe he is working at a pay per view streaming video site.

    All just hard to believe.  

  174. Graham Sucked Harold Zink's Penis and Served the Ejaculatory Material to Customers And Gave Them AIDS says:

    I went to the Big Mango last week.  I saw Graham ‘pimping’ a young lady to a known pedophile.  I then ate a Mango Burger and became ill and returned to my hotel and vomited.  I went to the hospital and found out that I needed medication to get better.  After getting the bill I returned to the Big Mango and spoke to Graham.  I told him how I would like to be reimbursed for my medical expenses caused by the poison he claims is food.  He told me “Fuck off, mate”  a direct quote.  I then saw a man who I believe to be Harold Zink, procure a prostitute for immoral and debased purposes.  he then slapped Graham on the back and said “This bitch is a three holer if ever there was” again that is a direct quote.

  175. Mr. Sarcasm says:

    Hard to believe anyone voluntarily leaves Thailand to take a low level IT job in India.

    Indian universities graduate 10,000’s of qualified IT professionals every year who will work for as little as $100 a month and work 12 hours a day 6 days a week.

    Wonder what  Nicholas Dattoma is making working IT in India?

    Silicon Valley is booming today with many people making fortunes at IT startups like Facebook.

    Wonder why Nicholas Dattoma hasn’t moved back to California to get an IT job with a six figure income and stock options?

    Could it be because no one will hire someone with “owner of a Bangkok sex business” on their resume? 

    Or because his skill set is 10 years out of date and worthless.

    Or both? 

  176. Pattaya John says:

    Wow. Look at those outbursts. Kenny is really angry again.

    Could it be due to the realization that unemployment is just around the corner and he’s blaming the Big Mango?

  177. Graham Sucked Harold Zink's Penis and Served the Ejaculatory Material to Customers And Gave Them AIDS says:

    Kenny I am not. 

  178. mark says:

    is the mango open in the afternoon? do they still serve food?

  179. Protonic says:

    It’s always amazed me that the Mango supporters have never accepted that there are a large group of people who hate them. Maybe it’s because they lorded it over “lesser mortals” bragging about pussy they were banging that others couldn’t get or because they tried to beat up harmless Kenny for the sin of disagreeing with them about where to meet girls. Surely they can’t believe their own press to the extent they are blind to why they are just not liked by many people.

     

  180. Protonic says:

    Sorry about the double post but I hit send before I was done. 

    It’s always amazed me that the Mango supporters have never accepted that there are a large group of people who hate them. Maybe it’s because they lorded it over “lesser mortals” bragging about pussy they were banging that others couldn’t get or because they tried to beat up harmless Kenny for the sin of disagreeing with them about where to meet girls but their arrogance was anything but endearing. Surely they can’t believe their own press to the extent they are blind to why they are just not liked by many people.

  181. Agre says:

    Kenny, when you going back to Thailand to negotiate sex with more Thai whores?

  182. Sex With Whores says:

    Sex with whores. I wonder what the economics are for sex with whores.

    SWSM – Whhhhe-whhhhe-whhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  183. a view from above says:

    If I have this right…
    Graham is a popular and regular figure in the nana plaza and cowboy.
    Kenny doesnt show his face anymore cos hes scared.
    The mango site doesn’t throw shit around at kenny and his mates
    This site does nothing but throw hate.
    Graham is living is still there and still living life to the full.  Just look at the mango site.  He is popular.
    Kenny no longer posts under his own name and has no friends.  Even his fat-ass buddy WW doesnt speak with him.
    Seems to me that Kenny can’t handle the truth.
     
     
     
     

  184. Sleepy Floyd says:

    Makes me sleepy

  185. Pop Quiz says:

    Graham, Mike, Nick and Kenny lose their jobs at the same time.  Who would be able to gain an equal or greater level of employmnet?  Who would be the last?  hehehehahahahohoho 

  186. Truth Reporter says:

    a view from above = Graham

  187. a view from above says:

    everyone on here apart from a view from above = Kenny
    Actually I am not Graham, but I know him fairy well.  He doesnt even bother talking about this site and Kenny.  Too insignificant.
     

  188. Graham Sucked Harold Zink's Penis and Served the Ejaculatory Material to Customers And Gave Them AIDS says:

    I am Graham.

  189. Ronru says:

    Hey DUMBASS.

    Michael and Nick already lost their jobs.

    In case you can’t remember, they were managers of the Duke of Wellington.

    Michael lost his his job twice when he was fired from Yahoo.com.

    Hahahahahahahaha! 

  190. TIT FOR TAT says:

    Kenny,

    Since you’re about to lose your job it sounds like all will be even.

  191. Graham's Anal Penitration of Harold Zink, and the Ensuing Blood and Fecsis on the Big Mango Floor, before Harld Zink Blew Graham to Completion, Swallowed Graham's Semen and Promptly Sneezed it Out His Nose says:

    I just read that someone claims to ‘know’ Graham.  Were you, the claimant, in a debased relationship with Graham or Harold Zink, of Toluca Lake, CA?  Is it not true that Mr. Zink and Graham have an odd relationship?  Is it also not true that this entire feud between these two parties (Kenny/BM) was and is the sole responsibility of one Harold Zink, of Toluca Lake, CA?  
    I as a disinterested party, would like to see an end to this madness.  I call up all to cease and desist.  I further call upon Harold Zink, of Toluca Lake, CA, to start acting his age, and to delete his insipid website, and to apoligise to Kenny for being a general twit/twat.

  192. Truth Reporter says:

    Harry Zink is a Graham fanboy.

    Graham wishes he had never met Harry Zink and wishes Harry would stop bothering him.

    That is their “relationship”. 

  193. Graham Sucked Harold Zink's Penis and Served the Ejaculatory Material to Customers And Gave Them AIDS says:

    Graham is short bald troll.

    Harry Zink is a fat pudgy metrosexual walrus.  

    Can trolls and walrus have children.

    I don’t think so.

    Hahahahahahaha! 

  194. cruiserPimp says:

    An orange mocha frappuccino toast (at the Thanon Lang Suan) Starbucks to Kenny! See you at the SWSM!

     

  195. Mr. Bisquick says:

    BigBaby when will you be satisfied?

    The Big Mango Bar is finished. Nick and Mike have been publicly disgraced, made unemployable, and forced to live in poverty in 3rd world hellholes. Zink’s consulting business is moribund because he is associated with sex businesses, human trafficking, and underage sex. 

    Are you happy now?

    When will you stop? 

  196. Kennys Throbbing Micropenis says:

    I will never let it go. I can’t get Thai hookers so I’m going to get the Big Mango until I can jizz no more. Hate and vengeance forever.

    Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever. Hate and vengeance forever.

  197. Graham Sucked Harold Zink's Penis and Served the Ejaculatory Material to Customers And Gave Them AIDS says:

    Mr. Micro Penis,

    What’s left to “get”?

    The Duke closed down, Mike left Bangkok got fired from Yahoo and now claims he has nothing to do with the Mango or prostitution, Nick is sweating it out in a 9 to 5 in India, and Zink has gone into hiding to protect his business.

    Does Kenny want the pool table from the Mango for his rec room?

    That’s about all that’s left.  

  198. Kenny, I bet your employer is so proud of their association with you and the quality freedom of speech content this website brings to the world says:

    I bet they submit you work here for a Pulitzer prize.

  199. Don't buy that pool table says:

    You don’t want that pool table Kenny, the amount of times I’ve pissed on it it’s likely to rotting by now

    Not forgettng the bad karma this pool table has absorbed from the God awful owners or the sausage fest homoerotic  parties held in its presence

    Best to burn it, eradicate the horrible memory of that bar forever

  200. Fuck Sex Niggers Whores Kenny Thai China Pedo Sex Hookers Tourism Under Traffic Age Sex Ass Jizz Homo Sex Hetero Hater Kenny says:

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