Game On Part 3- Investing in Thai Real Estate, Stocks, and Bonds and How Not to End Up as a Stickman Reader’s Submission.

| April 9, 2011 | 31 Comments | 18,601 views

Virtually everyone who gets scammed in Thailand has no one to blame but themselves.

After the money is gone they rant and rave blaming dishonest Thais, corrupt police, and an evil culture but the root cause of their their loss is themselves.

They got scammed because they forgot they were in a foreign country and living in a foreign culture and where the rules of the game are different.

At the end of this post is an article that appeared in the New York Times about a website that exposes Russian corruption.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/28/business/global/28investor.html

Interesting and relevant to Thailand is the similar methods used to cheat foreigners in the Thai real estate and equity markets.

Thailand has a stock market where foreigners can invest in Thai stocks and bonds but the normal array of laws, regulations, and enforcement agencies that protect ordinary investors from being raped by insiders and people with connections and protection don’t exist.

Consider the common scenario unfolding everyday in Thailand.

Step 1. A profitable venture requires a large investment, e.g. a block of prime real estate smack in the heart of Bangkok where a high rise office building can be built where the present value of the rents minus operating costs is 4 times the cost of buying the land and construction. Connected and protected Thais need capital to bring the development to fruition.

In the U.S., this is a no-brainer. If the numbers check out, financing would be secured by surrendering a portion of future profits by giving partial ownership to investors or a pledging collateral to secured from bank loan.

This could be done a different ways, e.g. handing out partnership shares, selling bonds, selling stock or putting the property up as collateral to secure a loan.

There would be full and accurate disclosure of all relevant data and people putting up the money would receive some portion of the profit stream. The exact amount being determined by the market pricing the risk involved.

All of these methods are fine in the U.S., because contracts can be enforced in court, property can repossessed if payments on a loan are not made, stock and bond holders can sue in court if managers don’t perform their fiduciary duty, and embezzlement is deterred and punished in criminal court.

In the case of an office building, the building can’t run away to Cambodia after the owner cheats everybody.

If the USA you can protect your investment if it is profitable.

Step 2. Financing is secured and construction begins.

This is where the USA and Thailand are different.

There are a numerous ways the value and profit can be bled out of the project  where foreigners have no practical or  effective civil or criminal recourse.

The bleeding can done in a number of ways (see the discussion of Transneft in the New York Times article).

Construction contracts can be let out to captive companies where above market prices are charged.

Space can be rented out to captive renters and below market rates where the space is subletted at market rates and the difference is passed back to the original owners.

A management contract can be signed where the fees are exorbitant and the overage kicked back to the Thai organizers.

The stock can be diluted by issuing new shares and allocating them to captive parties.

Step 3. Besides bleeding and diverting the profits, the Thai organizers can make a double return through insider trading.

During the bleeding insiders know that the value of the firm has been lowered and, eventually, it will be reflected in asset prices. When it does, the price will fall. Insiders will sell short in anticipation of information becoming public making a subsidiary killing.

In the U.S., the original owners would end up in court or in jail. The SEC would prosecute for insider trading, the police would prosecute for embezzlement, and lawyers would sue on behalf of investors for breach of fiduciary duty.

In the U.S., the civil courts and police protect the investor.

None of this protection is available in Thailand. Short of a paid assassination, there is nothing to prevent connected Thais from cheating foreigners in this way and it happens everyday.

The police won’t investigate or prosecute if the Thai organizers are part of the local power structure, there is no practical government regulation, and civil courts are useless in enforcing private contracts.

Honestly, I can’t think of any way to protect yourself except keeping your money in your U.S. bank account.

None of this is a secret. It’s done throughout Asia in countries where the legal and criminal systems are weak.

My advice is to avoid these investments lest you end up as a Stickman Reader’s Submission

BigBabyKenny

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Russian Site Smokes Out Corruption

By ANDREW E. KRAMER
Published: March 27, 2011

MOSCOW — Before the Internet, a Russian dissident might have hoped to reach dozens of sympathetic readers with a mimeographed samizdat publication of forbidden material.

Aleksei Navalny near his office in Moscow. A lawyer by training, Mr. Navalny runs Navalny.ru, which aims to expose corruption in Russian business, and recently started RosPil.info.

But in today’s Russia, Aleksei N. Navalny has managed to attract a vast audience with his Web site for investors, Navalny.ru, even as he takes on big state-owned energy companies in his crusade against graft, kickbacks and bribery.

A 34-year-old real estate lawyer by training, Mr. Navalny can reach as many as a million unique visitors in a day with his digital samizdat, as happened last fall with his scoop about embezzlement at Transneft, a state-run pipeline company.

That scheme, presented as a cautionary tale for those tempted to invest in Russian energy stocks, described executives setting up a series of shell companies to pose as contractors for Transneft’s project to build a 3,000-mile pipeline to China. One shell, for example, was registered in the name of a Siberian man who had lost his passport, according to the Nalvany report.

The post included an audit indicating that the contracting fraud had cost Transneft $4 billion. Both Transneft and the government accounting office, whose documents Mr. Navalny said he leaked on his site, have denied the corruption claim.

But Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin took the posting seriously enough to ask for an investigation, which is still pending.

Mr. Navalny, whose fame and unabashed political ambitions are surely helped by his blue-eyed good looks and acidic sense of humor, has clearly touched a nerve in Russian society. His blog appeals to Russians who wonder: if the country’s vast oil wealth is not trickling down to the public, where is it going?

“I do this because I hate these people,” Mr. Navalny said gleefully of his Web postings, which take aim at those he describes as the self-dealing managers in the oil and natural gas business.

Within Russia, Mr. Navalny’s celebrity “is growing almost as quickly as that of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange,” Nikolai Petrov, a fellow at the Carnegie Moscow Center, a political affairs research group, wrote in December. Mr. Petrov wrote that Mr. Navalny “represents a new generation of political activists, one who sees the system’s vulnerabilities and targets his blows accordingly.”

A former activist in a liberal political party, Yabloko, Mr. Navalny says he will eventually run for public office. He now calls himself an advocate of the rights of members of the Russian middle class — people who have invested in the stock market and who he says are losing money to corruption and mismanagement.

Stock ownership here is tiny by the standards of the United States. Russians have opened 726,000 brokerage accounts, representing about 0.5 percent of the population.

But that number, and Mr. Navalny’s likely audience, is growing about 12 percent a month, according to Troika Dialog, a Moscow investment bank. Just as Americans seethed at wealthy bankers after the housing bubble burst, he said, Russians have started chafing at state company mismanagement during the oil boom.

“They see that Gazprom does not pay a dividend,” he said, “but the company parking lot is full of Mercedes-Benz cars.”

While potentially valuable to the owners of stocks and mutual funds, Mr. Navalny’s disclosures are not winning him friends in the executive suites of the country’s big energy companies.

The chief executive of Transneft, Nikolai Tokarev, a veteran of the Soviet K.G.B., has suggested that Mr. Navalny is a shill for the Central Intelligence Agency, ordered to smear the reputations of important Russian companies.

Nothing has followed from these charges so far. Mr. Navalny, though, became so unnerved that he gave his wife a list of phone numbers to call if he disappeared — other lawyers, journalists and opposition politicians.

“They could arrest me at any moment,” Mr. Navalny explained.

Indeed, after the Transneft documents were published, the government opened a criminal investigation against Mr. Navalny. It nominally has nothing to do with his Transneft disclosures. Instead, it involves his supposedly giving bad investment advice to a regional government several years ago, when he worked as an adviser to a local governor. That investigation, too, is still pending.

After the pipeline audit leak, men who identified themselves as security agents contacted clients of Mr. Navalny’s law practice, warning them against doing business with him, Mr. Navalny said.

Mr. Navalny has held down his day job as a real estate lawyer alongside his prolific online writing. He got his start in 2007 by suing Russian companies to force disclosure of accounting documents, using his standing as a minority stockholder owning a few shares. He would then publish the disclosures on a LiveJournal blog, eventually building up a following. He started Navalny.ru last year.

He has fans among Moscow financial analysts and bankers, in particular.

“I’ve been very successful, and I’m grateful,” said one Moscow banker, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Vladimir, given the controversy around Mr. Navalny. “Now I’d like to make this country a better place.” The banker said he discreetly volunteered to help Mr. Navalny analyze financial documents.

The Transneft controversy has only heightened interest in Mr. Navalny’s blog. He has since branched out from shareholder activism, creating RosPil.info, a new Web site about corruption in the government procurement process. It posts documents about state tenders and asks for public input on matters like the fairness of the prices or the deadlines.

It is a pioneering experiment in crowd-sourcing what had traditionally been investigative journalism, in a country where that type of journalism is repressed. The site is financed with online donations, using a Russian analogue to PayPal.

“I’m not just saying, ‘Here are the corrupt bureaucrats,’ ” Mr. Navalny said. “I offer solutions.”

Like Navalny.ru, RosPil.info makes for dense reading, but its popularity suggests a groundswell of of public anger.

“The middle class hates corruption,” Mr. Navalny said. “If you tell a grandmother in a village the state oil company stole $1 billion, she won’t understand. But somebody who owns stock in that company certainly will.”

The new site’s name means Russian Saw. It features an image of the fierce-looking two headed Russian eagle — the state symbol — absurdly grasping two carpenter saws in its talons.

Why saws? Russian slang for taking a kickback is to “saw off” a piece of the contract. Mr. Navalny has helped make the saw a symbol of this discontent — a twist on the peasant mob’s pitchfork, for a contemporary Russian audience.

The site explains why Russians should volunteer their time to read the tender documents: “Because pensioners, doctors and teachers are on the edge of survival, while scoundrels in power buy another villa, yacht or the devil knows what.”

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  1. Prufrocks Gay Manlover says:

    BIG MANGO SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But so do I 😉

  2. Prufrocks Gay Manlover says:

    And get rid of the girl photos. It has nothing to do with the article and I dont care.

    More man love scenes please.

    One more thing.

    Mango still sucks.

  3. Ronru says:

    Interesting post BBK but I disagree with you that the law in the west necessary provide investors with protection for their investment and numerous people have lost their entire life saving being misled to invest in dubious companies and projects.

    Back to Keith Summers…  Gary Glitter was sentenced to 3 yrs jail term in Vietnam and 2 yrs sentence to Summers seems unusually harsh considering that Glitter got it for having sex with children.

  4. The watcher says:

    BigBabyKenny.com scores another mention on Marc Holt’s hate site:

    http://notkeithsummers.com/?p=216

  5. BBK says:

    Ronru,

    You are right.

    I should have written, it deters it in The West and the legal and criminal environment encourages it in Thailand.

  6. Somchai Gottalottaporn says:

    I’m all for photos of Nymphettes shaking their little booties on the stage but can someone please buy Kenny a camera with auto-focus!

  7. Bruce Leeroy says:

    Cheap camera and even worse photographer. Who would publish that garbage?
    Better call Stick. He knows what hes doing with a camera.

  8. Heyyy!!!! It's unfair says:

    Why do you respond to Ronru, but know one else?  Does he have some dirt on you?
     
    Ronru should really go fuck himself and a dingo or two.

  9. Barry the Bore says:

    Yes it’s Sunday and we all know who posts then – Me! I also post Monday, Tuesday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, & Saturday. I know what you’re thinking, why don’t I give Sunday a rest so as to not steal the limelite from Stickman and give this Schmuck a chance of drawing traffic that would be normally glued to my incredible adventures. Stuff him, the internets a great leveller – I’m just a great captivating writer, thats all I need to say on the matter

    So getting back to my trip to the 7/11 I was after a roll of sticky tape to fix the Brittney Spears poster to my bedroom wall. Do you think I could find any? No! I rumaged around for about 5 minutes before giving up and buying some condoms. Not as though I ever use them though, I can’t afford the girls at the carpark and besides I find sleeping to be an much more enjoyable past time

    Back to the apartment and loaded up a couple retro games on my Playstation I emulator. The first was Crimson Badge, a title I know you’ve all heard off from 10 years ago. I didn’t get to play it as Sanctum_Monkey rang to see if I was up for a game of pool before heading to the Ranch. I obliged. I happened to see MazyDazy on the other side of the road and gave out a wave, I also got a message from TamponTamer on my way to Morning Night bar. He wasn’t able to make it until later

  10. Gomer Pyle says:

    Fucker deleted my post.
     

  11. Pusay says:

    THIS POST AWAITING DELETIO

  12. Patrick says:

    They’ll just love it when it’s finished  :-).(Something like the frog-boilanalogy, there gully . . . .Google it) Sometime in the not too distant past, somebody convinced daffy and gully that was being done tothem was actually being done for them. Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help.  There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.The blinders and the chains are relevant . . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but 9/11 skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you  can not bear to face.  And as usual it is again you who seeks to attributesome vulnerable characteristic to this straw man you’ve  feebly stapled together.  . . . .and again

  13. Fake CSUN womens and gender studies association says:

    May I say these photos are a blatant discrimination against women from the United States who tend to be more rubenesque in statue. The American woman no longer has to adhere to an ‘ideal’ shape once put forward by a male dominated society. Showing these women does not represent in the slightest the average womans proportions seen on campus or in the streets of our nation   

    Can you please add women who are representative of our association in future, instead of these skinny wretched poor things, thrown into sex slavery by the our own campus ‘Professor of Porn’

  14. Revealing all says:

    Heyyy!!!! It’s unfair says:
    April 9, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    Why do you respond to Ronru, but know one else?  Does he have some dirt on you?

    – Dur… have you not worked it out yet?   ronru IS Kenny!

  15. Careful Kenny says:

    Watch it Kenny. Women’s studies groups and other human trafficking organizations are monitoring your site. First the photos and then photos with sex stories, right?

    Don’t do it. It’s not worth it.

    A friendly word of warning: You are being watched.

  16. Mr Cheesecake says:

    ^ Yeah by the girl in a fat mans body daffy duck and El Thicko BigBlackGulliver 🙁

    Who would want those losers around your blog I ask , the trolls of all trolls 

  17. Big Black Gulliver says:

    No I am not Careful Kenny or  Fake CSUN womens and gender studies association.
    Those are different sockpuppets who like to make lame threats and never back them up and hide behind anonymous screen names.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  18. Big Black Baby Cheeseflakey Real Fake Daffy Laffy says:

    I’m so clever. Guess which sock puppet I am.

    Noooo, not Prufork.

  19. Barry the Bore says:

    I’ve been so damn excited all week I’ve forgotten to blog. I was on my way home from the gym and thought some healthy food for the evening would complement my good work. I walked into the 7/11 and bought a big bag of M&M’s – green and yellow only…my favorites, a jumbo bag of popcorn – for the movies I had planned to watch later that evening, and 2 gallons of ice-cream

    Out of the corner of my eye I saw a guy with a camera mounted on a tripod taking photos inside the store. It suddenly dawned on me this could be Kenny! I was so overcome with excitement I involuntarily ejaculated in my pants. Who would have thought!! I was in the precence of royalty. Great excitement turned to rational thinking and I quickly grabbed a pen and notepad from the store to ask him for his autograph

    I have a giant poster of Kenny on my wall at home – alongside my Brittney Spears poster – however I must admit this guy looked dissimilar to Kenny, and his accent seemed waaay south of the border – think Thai – but I know this just had to be Kenny and he was probably putting on a disguise and alternate persona to avoid all the fans as well as the Haters out there. “Kenny” scribbled on my notepad something in Thai and I left the store in a dreamy state, I was just too overwhelmed to talk to him

    I’ve only just come down from this exciting chance meeting a few days earlier this week and now finally composed I can write about it

  20. Graham H. Jones, Process and Control Systems (P&CSD) Saudi ARAMACO and owner of the The Big Mango Bar Brothel in Bangkok. says:

    Kenny is a ROCKSTAR!
    Kenny is a ROCKSTAR!
    Kenny is a ROCKSTAR!

  21. Get It Right says:

    Kenny’s a rock star? Based upon him being wrong about almost everything he writes? Based upon him taking down his original hooker and whore blog when pressured by his employer?

    OK. If you think so.

  22. Vindictive Agenda, Selective Censorship, Loads of Bullshit says:

    @ Get it Right,
    rockstars aren’t exactly geniuses.

  23. Nickolas says:

    What’s this have to do with Russell Keith Summers?

  24. Random hater says:

    Fuck all of you mango, kenny, stickman, galt lovers. Did I forget anyone?

  25. Bangkok Buddy says:

    i’m so famous. time for power nap.

  26. crickets says:

     

    chiiiirp, chiiiirp, chiiiirp, chiiiirp, chiiiirp, chiiiirp!!

     

  27. It’s been a looooooooooong time since there were any fresh submissions dealing with Thailand, isn’t it?

  28. Frogger says:

    croak croak croak this blog croak croak croaked

  29. Tru Dat says:

    Shu looks like this here blog croaked, big time…

  30. Interesting says:

    I like the critters chirp-ing in on this blog almost as much as issan girls like eating them.
     

  31. End of Story says:

    chirps?

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