Contrary to the sensationalistic coverage in the mainstream press, BigBabyKenny.com was never a site about sex tourism, human trafficking, or child prostitution.
BigBabyKenny.com was about love, dating, marriage, and sex between consenting adults in The Thailand Girl Scene—getting banged better, cheaper and more efficiently in BigBabyKenny.com slang.
For those who never got to read, enjoy, or participate in the discussion and wide open no holds barred debate about finding what you are looking for in The Thailand Girl Scene, you really missed the best daily dynamic read about Expat life in Thailand, you missed a unique look into a world and lifestyle where politically correct western values are alien and generally rejected by the average everyday man and woman on the street, and you missed learning about a different world and culture that you might have enjoyed someday—if only you knew it existed, had accurate detailed information about where the landmines and IED’s are hidden and how to economically and efficiently achieve your mission objective.
BigBabyKenny.com rest in peace.
The world is a more homogeneous and monochromatic without it and many people will live duller less adventurous lives because of its passing.
An epithet of sorts was posted recently on one the more popular Bangkok Expat blogs.
In the comments, an anonymous Bangkok Expat posted these three comments which provides some insight into what BigBabyKenny.com was all about, what made the site so popular, why the site “got too good for its own good”, and, ultimately, what led to its spectacular demise.
Those three comments are reposted below.
You pretty much whitewash what the big mango crew did – threatened to beat him up, for one, and many other things – and give a misleading impression that most Kenny posts devolved into Mango bashing posts, which is patently untrue. Most Kenny posts had nothing to with the Mango crew, and what probably kept the fire going most was the hired goons of the Mango Crew constantly posting on Kenny’s site and stoking the flames.
Kenny may not have been an angel and you are right that he whitewashed the contents and purpose of his site to some extent, but he was certainly more sinned against than sinning, and that’s not the impression you give in your little write up.
Coincidentally, the owners of the Mango have been outed and received a high degree of publicity as well, which is far more damaging to any future job prospects those guys have in America or any Western country than the damage done to Kenny, who has tenure and whose job is fully secure.
I would speculate the Mango guys would now have a tough time getting hired in the States or in England, where a simple google search on their names will dig up so much unsavory material.
I wonder if they think it was worth escalating things to this point?
The whole revenge thing was retarded, and if anyone can be said to have gotten the worst end of the stick it is the Mango crew, which is just as they were the ones who continued the fuel the issue – Kenny obviously remains unaffected almost completely, but the real losers are the public avid for reliable, non-politicized info on Thailand, which is now pretty much impossible to come by. Stickman is steeped in classic ex-pat bitterness that colors everything he writes to the point where much of it is simply unreliable as a guide to conduct, and no other site really deals with the issues in the same depth.
Kenny will continue to use his knowledge and experience to have a good time in Thailand, the Mango crew no longer live in Thailand anyways and now will now have a tougher time getting hired by a Western company, but what will happen to anyone wanting to find info on how to navigate the intricate pathways of the Thai scene without coming to grief, and to have the best time? They will be left out in the lurch.
Oh well, that’s life in the end. The Thai blog scene has always been dominated by the bitter loser contingent who had a very dim grasp of how thing really operated in Thailand, and who wrote more to bring others into their fold of misery and failure in the Thai scene – misery loves company – than out of an optimistic desire to actually figure things out and succeed in Thailand.
For one brief moment something else came onto the scene, and now has sunk back into the oblivion from whence it came, and this leaves ex-pat life in Thailand exactly where it has always really been, and perhaps where it should always be; the rare few who are intelligent, optimistic, and resolute enough to figure out how to make a success of the Thai scene keep their wisdom close to their chests and remain out of site in the blogosphere to the point where most are barely aware that such people exist in Bangkok, and the Thailand blog scene continues as a venting ground for the bitter and the failures who cast their nets far and wide in their attempts to bring all fresh ex-pats into their miserable corner.
Nah, I sound like an objective observer. I don’t really have a dog in this fight and don’t want to get bogged down in a dispute over this nonsense, but I will make a few points.
The flamers that infested Kenny’s site and hijacked literally every thread were the ones that simply wouldn’t let the issue die. They were there every day, in larger numbers than regular posters, on every thread, trying to shut the discussion down and destroy the blog, when easily the vast majority of these threads had nothing to do with the Big Mango crew – probably about 90% of the threads made no reference to the Big Mango crew at all.
Had these flamers simply gone away, the whole issue would have quietly faded into background noise. Kenny, having been publicly and loudly defamed by the Mango crew, had every right to make a few negative posts about them, and his posts were generally far milder than theirs, and there the issue would have stayed if these flamers had not tried so very hard to destroy the blog.
Even then, the vast majority of the contents of Kenny’s site had nothing to do with the Mango crew at all.
I don’t know what you mean by proof, because the proof was there in the comments day in, day out, endlessly. As for the violence threats, they were reported by others, not Kenny, and were also in the comments section of the BDK blog for all to see as well.
Billy Bangkok – I at first was shocked that you could think the majority of the stuff on Kenny’s site had anything to do with the Mango boys, but when you explain that you even object to his tagline of no censoreship, etc as a dig at the Mango boys I can see how to your particular eyes indeed everything would appear as having to do with the Mango boys. I leave it to each person on his own to decide if if your peculiar way of looking at Kenny’s site is evidence of lack of prejudice against Kenny, as you claim is your attitude, or the presence of it, but now at least that you have given us some insight into your methodology one can see how you have arrived at your conclusions. Thank you.
The point is, the Mango boys started it, kept it going, and escalated it – why the burden was on Kenny to call out for a truce, rather than fight it out like a man is beyond me. I’m sure the Mango boys, after starting the fight and escalating it, would have wanted just that, for Kenny to cry out that he had had enough, but I fail to see why Kenny needed to comply with their wishes. Further, Kenny barely did anything – the vast majority of his posts had nothing to do with the Mango boys and those that did avoided strong language and were mild.
Trust me, large and reputable American companies are EXTREMELY throrough in researching prospective hirees, if the Mango boys owned a bar in Bangkok that was possible a brothel they will know of it. It’s out there, it will never go away. Legal liabilities in the States are simply too enormous to not do these kinds of checks, which from my POV at least is retarded, but that’s how it is in America at the moment. The Mango boys, through their own actions, are pretty much unhirable by large American companies, which may not even be a big deal for them, I don’t know.
As for Kenny, the guy’s got tenure – he is invulnurable. Academia in the States is chock full of oddballs and eccentrics, and Kenny has an eminently defensible position – his career has a teacher cannot be touched, and thank God academic work in the States is not (yet) screened according to the persons personal life or views on various subjects, and I seriously doubt his friends and family found anything surprising on the site.
Anyways, whatever. It’s pretty obvious where your sympathies lie, despite your disclaimers, and as for me, while the Mango boys were forgettable as bloggers, easily assimilable to the dominant Bangkok paradigm of cantankerous blogger with a chip on his shoulder, clueless about how to succeed in the Thai scene and resentful of anyone who seems better able to figure it out, and evidently they were a bullying and unsavory group of individuals as well, Kenny was something new, different, and rare on the Thai blog scene, but the Old Guard couldn’t stand him, and they got him, but they burned themselves worse. Maybe it was worth it for them.
The real sufferers are us. Trust me, Kenny will continue to have a great time in Thailand racking up more experience and figuring out better how to have a good time there. Just we won’t hear about it.
Well, like I said, I don’t have a dog in this fight, and there are probably a lot of background details I don’t know, and probably don’t care about. All I know is what I saw on Kenny’s site and the Mango site, and I don’t feel you’ve given a good description of the flavor and contents of Kenny’s site. At all.
I’m not interested in getting into an exhaustive, point by point battle over this issue, but it has always fascinated me that mild-mannered Kenny is so disliked by the Thailand ex-pat community, even on the days when he posted on the Mango site and didn’t have his own site, he was always disliked on a gut level, and I think that says something about the Thai ex-pat community, that pretty much everyone, including you, dislike him.
I would almost use Kenny as a litmus test for what sort of ex-pat you are dealing with – if you like Kenny, you are one kind of guy with probably one set of attitudes towards Thai people and Thailand, if you hate him, you are another. It’s almost like the way you can tell a huge amount about a person and his attitude towards success and achievement by wether he is anti-American or not.
I’ll tell you partially why I seem to be more emotionally involved in this than would appear normal for someone who had no involvement in the affair. I came to Thailand a bright eyed young man and had tons of good experiences. I begin reading the blogs on Thailand and became poisoned by their bitter mentality and became bitter myself – it didn’t matter that nothing they said really matched my experience, that my interactions with Thai people were so much more positive, at the end of the day I was a newbie, things were confusing and uncertain and could be explained all sorts of ways, and the Old Guard spoke with authority.
I began to hate Thai people and Thailand based on the supposedly wise and canny revelations of the Old Guard on what’s supposedly really behind the Thai smile and similar nonsense, and my happiness in Thailand turned to bile, based almost entirely on what I read. I know, I know, it’s my fault that I allowed myself to be so easily led, and that’s true, it is, but what can I say I was young and was looking for wisdom from the people who had been in country for longer, and I trusted what I read online more than what I actually experienced and my own judgement. I also personally know several people, young guys, who became bitter and hateful and poisoned about Thai people based on reading the Thai blogs, when their own experiences never matched what they read online.
It took me a while to regain my independence of judgement and realize that something is seriously wrong with the Thailand ex-pat community, and that they poison the country for countless people. This all may sound very silly, but I think it is far more serious than it might seem, and a huge portion of the Thai ex-pat comm is quite literally ruined by immersion in the Thai blog scene.
Kenny was something completely different – a guy who was not bitter and who had a positive take on things and tried to figure them out. I suddenly felt that my own relative success and fun living in Thailand and interacting with Thais was not a fluke but might be the norm for a normal person. I felt more sane, no longer such a standout in my attitude towards Thailand.
But at the end of the day Kenny was jumping into a pond populated by a particular kind of fish, and I don’t think he ever got over his amazement at what kind of fish he suddenly found himself amongst, but the fish certainly didn’t want him disturbing their pond.
And that’s cool. It’s all over now at any rate. The Thai ex-pat community is what it is and will never be anything different, and I understand and accept that now, and why it has to be that way, why Thailand draws these kinds of people, and why no one should challenge the world which these people have built for themselves, however fictional.
The Kenny crowd and the Mango, Stickman, whatever crowd really should not be mixing, that is the truth at the end of the day – the one will simply be amazed and the other will be infuriated. They are two separate mentalities that should not come together.