The Death Throes of The Mango Empire-UPDATE Version 2.0
3/4/2013. Update on the end of The Big Mango Bar. A BBK reader sent me an email noting an announcement by the owners of The Big Mango Bar.
The owners of the The Big Mango announced on their blog the closing of The Big Mango Bar.
The bar has been sold to Thai investors, the name will be changed, and the upper floors will be converted into serviced apartments catering to the businesses flourishing on Sukhumvit Soi 4.
The closing of the Big Mango follows the closing last year, of The Duke of Wellington, a British pub on Silom that was also owned my Michael Francis Smith, Graham Jones, and Nicholas Dattoma. The Duke of Wellington was reopened with a new owner and is now called The Pintsman.
No announcement has been made about whether the bar has been sold or whether Michael Francis Smith, Graham Jones, and Nicholas Dattoma will retain an ownership interest in the new venue.
Good luck to the new owners in starting a successful business at the location of The Big Mango Bar. I sincerly hope they have more succcess than the current owners.
BigBabyKenny
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The following account of the end of The Big Mango Bar was posted anonymously in the comments by a reader who uses the alias Mangostorian.
I will tell what I know about the “Mango Investors.”
When the Mango got kicked out of Nana Plaza, Michael Smith, Nicholas Dattoma, and whoever else had an ownership interest (I will only deal with known facts here), didn’t have the capital to rebuild or reopen the bar in another location. Nana Plaza was obviously out (they had just gotten kicked out) and there were no suitable locations either on Soi 4, Patpong, or Cowboy.
Desperate to stay in business, they approached selected customers and expats for financing to build a new bar. A hotel conference room was rented, people were invited, free food was provided, and Nick and Michael pitched a new bar to potential investors. Points in the bar were offered for $25,000 dollars each. In exchange, point owners would get a proportionate share of the net profits each month.
The presentation was slick. The bar was pitched as a “new concept” that would draw customers from a young tech savvy demographic that would find the bar through the blog and a companion sites they were starting called DurianSeed.com and WickedTraveller.com. Nick and Michael pitched themselves as “celebrity endorsers” for the bar who would interface with the new breed of customers and serve as “ambassadors” who would show newbies around the Bangkok sex scene. They saw the bar and its companion sites as part of an “empire” that would dominate the Bangkok sex market. Yelp.com was used an example of what they were creating.
For those not tech savvy, Yelp.com is a review site for local businesses. Patrons of the businesses write reviews and post them. The reviewers are normal Joe’s who don’t get paid for their reviews. Over time, the reviews pile up and create a massive database with reviews on almost every business in town. The beauty of the Yelp.com model is that the owners don’t write or do anything. As long as they can get customers to write free reviews of local businesses, the site slowly builds up a database of valuable reviews, the valuable reviews draw in more traffic, the traffic generates more reviews, and the site snowballs.
I declined to invest but others did. They raised over $100,000 dollars which paid for the current location. In case you forget, the current location started out as a shell and was completely gutted and built from scratch. This was expensive and consumed most of the investor’s money.
There was a 6 month period when the old bar had closed and the new bar hadn’t opened yet. Rather than keep their service girls (sex workers) on payroll to tide them over, Nick and Michael made the cold hearted decision to just cut them loose without notice or severance pay. Many of the girls were forced onto the streets. If you walked down Soi 4, you could see ex-Mango girls standing in Nana Parking lot searching for customers to pay rent and feed themselves. Others could be seen standing half naked on the sidewalk in front of small Soi 4 bars where they got paid to entice pedestrians into the bars ala Pattaya Soi 6. A couple of the better looking ones got jobs as GoGo dancers in Cowboy and Nana and some just disappeared, never to be heard from again.
When the new bar opened, Nick and Michael tried populating it with new girls. They tried to get freelancers to hang out in the bar by giving out discount “membership” cards but failed to attract any. Because there were not many customers, many of the girls employed at their old location refused to work for the new bar. The ones who did return couldn’t find enough customers to make their monthly drink and sex quota and claim their full salaries. Eventually most of the girls left after Nick and Michael refused to lower quotas or increase salaries.
The out of the way location and lack of girls doomed the new bar. The world financial meltdown and the various bombings, riots, and political turmoil in Thailand killed the tourist industry and the bar started losing money. Over time, the customer base shrank, the bar declined to its current state, and Graham has announced its closing.
At one point, there was a meeting called where Nick and Michael laid out the state of the business and made it clear the investors had lost their money. There were a lot of angry words exchanged at that meeting. Threats were made. One of the investors blamed Nick for running afoul of Kenny and blamed the Kenny/Mango feud and all the bad press for driving new customers away from the Mango “brand”. That particular investor argued for issuing a public apology to Kenny but I don’t know what happened to that plan. The meeting broke up with no resolution but several of the investors to this day think they were sold a bill of goods and still want their money returned.
The end game was never for Michael and Nicholas to grow old running a bar in the Bangkok nightlife district. Veterans of the dot.com bust, they had watched numerous people start up and sell internet businesses and get rich. In those years, traffic was king and sites with a large numbers of “clicks” were selling for millions. The end game was to start a site like Yelp.com that reviews local bars, hotels, and businesses, build up traffic, sell adds ala Facebook, and eventually sell it for millions to Yahoo or some other large internet site looking for a foothold in Thailand.
This is the same business model Spuul.com (Michael’s current employer) is following today. Clone the U.S. streaming video sites like NetFlix but for Indian movies and then when a company like NetFlix decides to enter the Indian market sell, Spuul.com to Netlflix for millions.
That was why the crew of “Mangotards” was cultivated. Michael and Nicholas needed people to write reviews for Durian Seed so that others would have a reason to click there. The reason The Big Mango became the preferred hangout for the gang of misfits and losers was they needed the “Mangotards” to fill their site up with content. People were needed to actually write entertaining and informative reviews of bars and restaurants to seed the site. Otherwise, the site would just be a URL no one visited.
Once a big enough library of reviews was written, the site would start generating traffic, and the traffic itself would provide a continuous supply of new reviews. Crucial was getting the “Mangotards” to write the intial slug of reviews. Durian Seed was chosen as the name of the site because the “Mangotards” were meant to provide the “seed” from which a big juicy fruit would grow.
Pants Elk, Bangkok Bad Boy, The Pattaya Ghost, Werewolf, Young Penfold, Daffy Duck and others were “friended” and given insider status so they would continue to grind out articles and reviews for Durian Seed and its companion site. Bangkok Bad Boy was convinced to close his popular blog and give his valuable content to Nick and Michael. Pattaya Ghost was allowed to advertise his diving business on the bar blog. Werewolf was extended credit so he could drink when he was broke. Young Penfold was allowed to deal drugs on the “down low” to people whom he met through the blog. Etc. The comment section of the Blog was filled with Michael and Nicholas stroking the egos of their “pets” to keep them typing away generating free content.
Anyone who knows these people knows they are the sorriest crowd of social misfits (think of the bar scene from Star Wars) and anyone who thought twice must have wondered why Michael and Nick, the self-professed “cool cats” would surround themselves with such people but those in the know knew and now you know too.
Michael and Nick were scamming everyone. They had gotten the investors to fund the new bar but hadn’t given them any ownership rights in the new websites. In the end, they planned to sell the websites and their traffic to a big site looking for a foothold in the Thailand market and people who put up the money for their venture would be left with points in the bar but no ownership of the websites and their valuable traffic. Nick and Michael would own the website with all the hits and would cash the big check. The plan was always to leave the investors out in the cold. The ultimate Fuck You.
I suppose it was a good plan but it got torpedoed by the tanking of the Thailand tourist market. When the bar started losing money it became unsustainable. There were too many mouths to feed and insufficient income. Nicholas and Michael were drawing living expenses from the bar receipts, the full time manager had to be paid, and the investors wanted to get paid too. After financially struggling for months, Nicholas and Michael were forced to seek outside employment or end up homeless. And that is what they did. They did a runner and left Thailand.
Today, Michael and Nicholas tell everyone they no longer officially have an “interest” in The Big Mango and Graham owns the bar. Many of the investors believe this is a smoke screen to prevent them from trying to recover their money from Michael and Nicholas. If the bar was really “sold” to Graham they should be entitled to a share of the money but no money has been forthcoming and the terms of the “sale” to Graham have been kept under wraps.
The Big Mango and the lease on its location is actually owned by an Amity Corporation that lists Michael and Nick as the primary shareholders and managing directors. Ownership is a matter of public record and anyone can go down to the appropriate government office and see the paperwork. Rumor has it that this was done recently and no ownership change has been registered with the Thai government. Again the terms of the sale, if there actually is one, of the Mango to Thai owners is being kept under wraps. Graham is bragging about buying a new Mercedes and moving to a condo with an indoor pool and the investors still haven’t seen any returns or refund.
So that is where things stand today. The bar is closing, the investors’ money is gone, and there is a lot of hate toward Nicholas, Michael, and Graham.
I know the “official line” is that all the negative comments are from Kenny and his sockpuppets but, honestly, it more likely comes from the investors who got financially screwed by the Mango owners.
Mangostorian
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This is the original post from 2011.
The confirmed rumor on the street is that The Big Mango Bar has been listed for sale.
With the previous closing of the Duke of Wellington, the alleged attempted disposal of The Big Mango Bar officially ends Tricycle and Pmmp’s dream of establishing a Bangkok nightlife entertainment empire.
Rising rents in Nana Entertainment Plaza closed the first iteration of The Big Mango and the collapse of the Thai tourist industry due to the worldwide recession and internal political upheaval combined with an out of the way location doomed the current iteration.
The listing claims an annual net profit of 3,500,000 THB or $9722 USD per month.
If true, that would be a truly outstanding performance given the current state of the Thai nightlife industry and the widespread bankruptcies and closings that have rocked the bars and clubs of The Reservation.
If true, Tricycle and Pmmp deserve accolades for an exemplary effort marketing and running the bar.
If the advertised financials are accurate, the asking price of 6,000,000 THB or $200,000 is a truly stunning opportunity —– allowing a potential buyer to earn a 50% return on investment and recoup his money in only 2 years.
At this price, its amazing that bar hasn’t already been snapped up by a savvy investor.
The listing from Sunbelt Asia is given below.
http://www.sunbeltasia.com/MemberSearchDetail.aspx?Id=1194
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Bangkok Sports Bar
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BUSINESS SUMMARY
(UPDATE! The asking price has been reduced from 7,500,000 baht to 6,000,000 baht.) Well established after nine years of profitable trade, this Bangkok Sports Bar sits in a well patronised soi in the lower Sukhumvit region of the city. Live television coverage of all major sporting events has made the establishment popular with the expatriate community, and tourists are also known to visit when in town. A website keeps sports fans aware of all upcoming events and local sports clubs have built up an affiliation. Housed within a four storey property, the bar enjoys annual net profits of approximately 3,500,000 baht after all overheads have been deducted from annual receipts that total roughly 8,500,000 baht. The main expenses are monthly rent, set at 65,000 baht, and monthly salaries that total 150,000 baht for 20 full time employees (there are also five part time staff used when necessary). Although the lease expires in early 2010 there is a provision to extend it for a further six years. The bar utilises the first two floors, with the upper floors used for an office, a kitchen, a spare room, maid’s quarters and living accommodation for up to four people. Assets valued at 1,000,000 baht will be passed on, and these include seven televisions and a pool table. The owner has a regular day job and has grown tired of running the bar in his evenings; he will therefore countenance a sale to provide himself with more spare time. Although the sale is not urgent, an attractive asking price that equates to roughly two times earnings has been set.
New asking price: 6,000,000 baht. |
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Category: Noteworthy
Wrong again Kenneth!
An advert appears for a bar on lower suk. It must be the Mango!!?!?! Dumbass.
For starters…. the Mango building has 5 floors, 3 pool tables and (I think) 5 TV’s. So the listing is not for the Mango.
There certainly isn’t 20+ employees!
You may also want to take note that according to the Mango blog, it’s open for business having undergone renovations. They don’t seem to be having the hard time that you hoped.
When are you going to get something right?
You also state that the business was started in 2000.
Correct me if I am wrong… the Big Mango Bar opened in 2008
We’ll know its true when Graham officially denies it.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
I have spoken to Graham. He confirms that the Mango has 5 floors, 3 pool tables, 5 TV’s and was opened in 2008. Whether you believe him or not – there is no denying the facts!
Who’s laughing now?
I guess “maids quarters” in English translates to ”short time room” in Faragnlish.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
KENNY’s a ROCKSTAR!
KENNY’s a ROCKSTAR!
KENNY’s a ROCKSTAR!
KENNY’s a ROCKSTAR!
Where will Werewolf go to be disrespected now?
And “well patronised soi in the lower Sukhumvit region of the city” means a back alley waaaaaaaay down the main whore zone of Bangkok.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
here.
Oh yeah.
“Well patronized” by drug addicts and ladyboy muggers who will slit your throat and steal your shoes if you look too drunk to defend yourself.
Hahahahhaha. Hohohohoho!!!!!!
Stickman has Keith
and
The Big Mango has Kenny.
I saw a car forsale.
Red, 2 doors, 4 wheels. I guess that’s the Mango boys.
who is tricycle?
Normally, this would leave a seldom-employed, third-rate academic and all ’round “non-qualifier” like these disgusting slugs over in the corner, complaining bitterly.
Either that or they’re both too insensitized and too stoopid to feel the water heating up or they have fallen for theidea that it’s all being done for their own good.
They’ll just love it when it’s finished :-).(Something like the frog-boilanalogy, there gully.Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help.
There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.
The blinders and the chains .
Normally, this would leave a seldom-employed, third-rate academic and all ’round “non-qualifier” like these disgusting slugs over in the corner, complaining bitterly.
Either that or they’re both too insensitized and too stoopid to feel the water heating up or they have fallen for theidea that it’s all being done for their own good.
They’ll just love it when it’s finished :-).(Something like the frog-boilanalogy, there gully.
Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help.
There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.
The blinders and the chains . . . . you guys definitely are not.
Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.
I have never claimed relevance for myselft never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself.
(That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face.Sometime in the not too distant past, somebody convinced daffy and gully that was being done tothem was actually being done for them.
Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help.
There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.
The blinders and the chains . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but 9/11 skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.
Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself.
(That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face.
And as usual it is again youwho seeks to attributesome vulnerable characteristic to this straw man you’ve feebly stapled together.
Either that or they’re both too insensitized and too stoopid to feel the water heating up or they have fallen for theidea that it’s all being done for their own good.
They’ll just love it when it’s finished :-).(Something like the frog-boilanalogy, there gully.Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help.
There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.The blinders and the chains . . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myselft never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face.Sometime in the not too distant past, somebody convinced daffy and gully that was being done tothem was actually being done for them. Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help. There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.The blinders and the chains . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but 9/11 skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face. And as usual it is again youwho seeks to attributesome vulnerable.. . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myselft never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face.Sometime in the not too distant past, somebody convinced daffy and gully that was being done tothem was actually being done for them. Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help. There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.The blinders and the chains . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but 9/11 skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face. And as usual it is again youwho seeks to attributesome vulnerable characteristic to this straw man you’ve feebly stapled together. Either that or they’re both too insensitized and too stoopid to feel the water heating up or they have fallen for theidea that it’s all being done for their own good. They’ll just love it when it’s finished :-).(Something like the frog-boilanalogy, there gully.Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help. There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.The blinders and the chains . . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myselft never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face.Sometime in the not too distant past, somebody convinced daffy and gully that was being done tothem was actually being done for them. Too scared to question this and too swamped with the mere economics of dat-to-day living at this point I suspect thatthey are beyond help. There’s daffy arranging the blinders on anyone who’ll give him a minuet (I’ll,um, keepthat one and there’s gully-burgers over there polishing up the chains he’s learning to love so fervently.The blinders and the chains . . . you guys definitely are not. Smear the messenger if you must, you fools, but 9/11 skepticism and research and a call to end the cover-up and to properly investigate this horrific assault on America’s people and her freedoms . . . these arerelevant.Smear and misdirect if you must but never once assume that it will make one iota of difference to what Iand many others see as having happened to America.I have never claimed relevance for myself. (That’s your label for an ordinary man who merely postssome important truths you can not bear to face. And as usual it is again youwho seeks to attributesome vulnerable..
Great investigative journalism once again by Kenny. No wonder the Mango blog is dead and Stickman is losing readers – they haven’t the balls or investigative endeavor to expose the hard truths about these shonky bars that are tettering on the edge of bankruptsy
Nicholas Dattoma and Michael Francis Smith employ 20 people.
17 of them are prostitutes who are required to go home with customers 12 times per month to get paid their full salaries.
At 500 THB per barfine, that is a direct monthly revenue of 102,000 THB from the fees from prostitution.
If each time the customer pays one of Nicolas and Michaels prostitutes for sex they also run a bar tab of 1000 baht, that is an additional 204,000 THB every month indirectly from prostitution.
So each month the prostitutes employed by Nicholas Dattoma and Michael Francis Smith at the Big Mango Bar generate 306,000 THB of revenue.
That is 3,670,000 THB or about $100,000 USD each year from the prostitutes.
They are alleging a profit of 3,500,000 THB per year.
Do the math.
Without the prostitutes, this “Bangkok Sports Bar” would lose money each year.
I guess “Bangkok Sports Bar” in English means “whorehouse” in fraranglish.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
MIND CONTROL MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since undergoing the big change of life thingy Greta Gottaluvit
(just up there wit’ dat hahahahahahaha shit) found out pretty quickly that
nobody gives a shit about her members only vanity blog.
“Getta, of course, is the Kokosphere’s very own ” Unablogger”
Hmmm. A few attaboy posts from “fans” with lots better things to do soon petered out.
They figured out long ago that when Getta finally did come through with that long-promised
“severance” they’d ahem “distance themselves from her” . . . . . . . . tout de suite.
(Game over, after all.
Getta’s twiddling her thumbs, posting messages to herself,
and listening to the crickets chirp . . . . . . . and, of course, astro-turfing herself.
Of course, she does break down once in a while (like three or four times a day from the looks of it)
and come over here to troll a forum with actual people.
What a nincompoop.
What a ninny.
What a slimy-ass troll coward souffle.
All together now:
Go fuck yourself Gretta
Hey, I know, let’s have a contest to decide who the Unablogger, Gretta Gottaluvit, really is.
Let’s help Gretta Gottaluvit re-brand her blog.
Come over here Gretta. Post here.
First we’ll kick your ass a little . . . . . . but then we’ll take your name.
Bring it, ass-hat.
yeah what has dafny rebranded her site as?
don’t think anyone other then that faggot SBDKTU voted
Kenneth you never get anything right.
The barfine quota is 10 per month. Not 12.
Idiot.
Hey now — Stickman is always saying that free bad publicity is still good publicity….
Seems to me that Sticky had been talking them up since way before 2008. I never begruded them the sale of a hamburger – or fir burger for that matter….
One burger for me please!!
Is that where Werewolf got plastered before he fell into the sewer?
Under U.S. tax law, U.S. citizens are required to report and pay taxes on income earned overseas. They get a break because they get to deduct taxes paid to the country where the income is earned. If the U.S. taxes are 25% and the foreign country takes 10%, they would only have to pay 15% to the U.S. Treasury.
If the owners of The Big Mango earned the claimed $10,000 a month in income for 10 years, that is an income of $1.2 million dollars. At a tax rate of 25% they would have to pay $300,000 in taxes during the 10 years the bar was in business. They could get a credit on any income taxes paid to the Thai government.
If the taxes were not paid, the IRS can put a lien on their property including their shares in the Big Mango.
This would prevent the transfer of ownership to a new owner that is a U.S. citizen.
If the new owner was a U.S. citizen or tried to sell the bar to a U.S. citizen in the future, they would not have clear title to the business.
Just something for potential buyers to consider.
9/11 was an inside job
so mango has 10 customers a day spending 2-300 bt each
thats 3k
must cost that a day to run it.
10k profit a month
…
but there is one born every minute so i’m sure some twat will by it.
can we move on now please folks
Galt
Can you please fuck right off – your ideas and philosophies are shit and twisted. cant you go advertise your fag ass spat on dafneys site. yous two were made for each other
You sound like a disgruntled burger joint owner…. You guys stired some shit on Kenny’s turf… you should have considered the repercussions of educated men.
Another burger for me please!! (burp…)
“Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.”
Way to go Kenny.
“To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.”
Good job Kenny.
Ooops
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14641
How do you suppose this got past the gatekeepers ??
9/11 was/is an inside job
No American mother would ever have sent her baby or allowed her baby to be tricked into to dying
in the Corporatista US Energy Wars of the 3rd Millennium.
Why would a rogue faction of the US government do this?
If the NEOCONs hadn’t pulled off this horrendous slaughter of innocent Americans and then blamed it on everybody
whose oil and gas they wanted to steal very few Amerikans would have been willing to make the sacrifices they’d been
FORCED to make at gunpoint.
Anyone who can’t see that US corporations are dictating American foreign policy should
turn off their televised sporting events and their sitcoms and get themselves educated.
Currently, the US is living in a delusional two-party dictatorship and the corporations and their agendas run both parties.
American politics should be about whether Americans should do stuff like this
or whether they should stay home and starting with education, stabilize the country’s infrastructure.
“The almighty vote” should be a free vote between “the party” that wants to conquer the world and “the party” that wants to
stay home and make America the great beacon of enterprise and freedom it was after WWII, before the corporatistas
regrouped and usurped freedom. The privilege of deciding between these two REAL options rather than a Republikrat Twofer
has been stolen away from Amerikans by criminals under cover of darkness and fear.
Turn around and head-butt that nasty black and white Border Collie that’s been snapping at your psyche.
Just say “NO” to The 3rd Millennium Corporatista Energy Wars.
Take your country back from the unelected corporates.
You kids will love you for it.
9/11 was the start of it and the people know it.
They’re just scared to death, that’s all.
Prufy, the US government can’t get away with buying an expensive toilet seat or an over-priced hammer. There is no way that a conspiracy was concealed for 9/11.
We beat up on our politicians plenty. If they had any real power at all, the government would suddenly and mysteriously look squeaky clean..
ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and CNN make millions off finding dirt. And they do find a few guys poking around on their wives. Even Bill Clinton, the number one man in the US at the time, didn’t have the power to cover his own ass…
Why don’t you wait for a real conspiracy thread to materialize with substance before you beat the war drums again?
“The owner has a day job” in English translates to “Nicholas Dattoma is now a wage slave in an India IT sweatshop and Michael Francis Smith is a low level Yahoo ad salesman in Singapore” in faranglish.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
No. That’s not Graham Jones, owner of the bangkok brothel, in the picture.
http://www.aramcoexpats.com/Articles/Pipeline/Saudi-Aramco-News/Dhahran-Media/3750.aspx
Can anyone explain how it is the advert states 4 floors, yet the Mango has 5?
Are you all that dumb that you can’t see this is not the Mango?
You know fuck all about fuck all.
Looks to me that Kenny at all are jealous of these guys. Why else would you get all upset about what they’re upto?
Losers the lot of ya
hahahahaha
Just thought I would point out a couple of typos in the Sunbelt Asia listing.
Patronized is spelled with a Z not an S– patronized not patronised.
Story is not spelled with an e- 4 story building not 4 storey building.
And it should read “Bangkok Whore Bar” not “Bangkok Sports bar”!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Right on Daywalker Defender Supporter.
Look at this picture of Michael Francis Smith owner of the Bangkok Whore Bar.
Kenny wishes he was as handsome as Michael.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
http://us.en.vivanews.com/news/read/108538-yahoo__to_help_advance_indonesian_developers
English Prof….
Is it a whore bar? Which bar is it that has been advertised? As it can’t be the Mango due to the FACTS ARE ALL WRONG!!!
5 Floors not 4! Not 20 employees! Not been open since 2000!
Can’t you fuckers read?!
hahahahahah
Again RIGHT ON Daywalker Defender Supporter.
Check out this picture of Michael Francis Smith owner of the Bangkok Whore Bar that’s NOT for sale.
Kenny wishes he was bald like Michael.
http://sea.openwebasia.com/speakers/
So what are we all sayin?
Oh yeah. Here is Tricycle’s bio.
http://sea.openwebasia.com/speakers/
Michael Francis Smith Jr
Director , Yahoo, South East Asia
Director of the Yahoo Developer Network (developer.yahoo.com) in Southeast Asia, Michael Smith Jr. is responsible for creating the technical evangelism programs for developers as well as working with startups and government agencies to help foster internet/mobile growth across the region.
Prior to Yahoo!, Michael has been living in Thailand studying Thai, where he started the Big Mango Brothel with Nicholas Dattoma, Director of Engineering at BEA systems India which featured live sports, pool, and prostitutes who could be taken home for sex after paying Michael a 500 THB barfine, and worked within the technology startups across Southeast Asia and consulting with various companies across the region on their social media strategies.
Before moving to Thailand Michael worked for BEA Systems, Inc. in Hong Kong while managing their developer marketing strategies for Asia Pacific.
I see… what you’re saying is total crap. Should of known.
You just come across as jealous assholes.
Just sayin.
Hey Hey Hey!!! Congratulations to BigBabyKenny. It was a year ago he was forced to take his whore blog down and replace it with this “new and improved” (cough-cough) blog!
YEA!!!!!
Now, a few questions for you:
1. How you like your new format since you were forced to take down your blog (free speech be damned)?
2. Have you learned anything?
3. Now that the Big Mango has been sold, do you feel justice now that they are out of Thailand, just like you are?
4. Do you piss your bed at night at the though of Daywalker beating the shit out of you at an outside beer bar?
Tellin it like it is.
You fat fuck.
This is my turf.
I threaten the beatings.
How bout I beat your ass with a baseball bat?
Editor’s note: Personal threats redacted.
I think I like to fuck … olds just because it’s legal in Thailand. Does that make me a ….? Fuck no. If the girl says she’s….that’s good enough for me. I went to Cambodia and Burma to f…but them NGOs were in there hot and heavy. So you want to know something, I left and went to Laos. Now that is THE place to go. Get the GPS on them hotspots ….! Yea, and nobody’s gonna call you any …. tourist there. It’s all about economics up there and fuck if those young girls don’t know how to fuck and suck. No, it’s not creepy that I am in my late 40s and them girls are teens.
So go fuck yourself if you don’t like it. … is in. Any chick over 20 is out. It’s the …. way!
Editor’s note: Personal threat redacted.
Don’t do it Kenny. I’ll …….!
So tell me something. How can Stickman still come back to Thailand if he sold bootleg software?
Easy, he worked the system! Isn’t hat cool? It’s the Bigbabykenny way! Yay!
Is it true that Kenny, you are jealous of these guys because the came to BKK and mixed it up there? Had a business and a lifestyle? A little cult following if you will.
But you, well, you were and still are, only ever going to be an (aging) sex tourist who used the facilities of bars such as the big mango?
Is it also a truth that in addition to getting kicked off their blog, you were also rejected by one of the staff there that REFUSED to go with you. Which explains why you are constantly beating up on the staff there.
Seems to me that your continual silence speaks volumes!
Just sayin.
“Mixing it up” in faranglish means “investing losing $200,000 investing in a British Pub that went bankrupt and $200,000 in a Bangkok Whore Bar that is about to close when no sucker is found to buy it.”
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Hmmmm. Looks like there was a bit of editing up there.
sex
tourist
tourism
fuck
under age
pedophile
kenny
sex
tourism
web site
under-age
Editor’s note: Personal information redacted.
…. girls
Ahhhh….that was it
Did Werewolf ever pass out at the Mango? Can you imagine having to move that slab of arrogance once he was unconscious ?
My opinion is that the Nicholas Dattoma, Michael Smith, and Graham Jones are Pimps.
Without the girls they employ going home with their customers for sex in exchange for money noone would visit their bar.
The business listing shows that a significant part of their revenue comes directly from barfining and girl drinks.
The Big Mango Bar is not a sports bar. It is a traditional Thailand Beer Bar with prostitutes on salary and available.
Just my opinion.
If you benefit directly from selling the hoy, and its a part of your business, then yes you are a pimp.
no point trying to put it any other way.
if, for example your bar sold burgers and beer and happended to makea bit of money on the side through bar fines, i would say that you are still pimping but only in a minor sense.
its not as if your gunna put chuvit out of business.
el turdo.
Words have power and meaning beyond the dictionary. Some words are “hot button” words. I have already written my opinion for example, that what one person calls “censorship” can be called “good blog management” by another. They might agree that they are describing exactly the same process, but one word is highly negative, while the other is arguably positive.
I like the term “pejorative” which I’ve used already once or twice recently. Since I’m not creative enough to find a better word (and my cheap-ass thesaurus doesn’t even contain the word) I’ll say that PIMP has a pejorative connotation, which probably arises from some specific characteristics associated with it.
I think that the traditional view of a pimp is someone who:
* protects the girls. He generally keeps them from being abused by customers. He assists them if they get pinched by the police. He may also control a certain territory, minimizing or eliminating competition. In these respects, he is a tough “guardian angel” for the girl.
* does not necessarily generate business for the girl. While I am no expert on pimping, it seems that the girls generally have to look after their own marketing, while the pimp looks after security.
* recruits new girls who are under his control, and prevents them from leaving via various means. His control over his stable may be weak or strong. Presumably a successful pimp will exert very strong control over his girls. Control my be physical, threatening, psychological, dependence on drugs, or simply by being a provider, lover or father figure to whom the girl feels indebted.
* makes his income from the girls’ activities. undoubtedly the pimp earns a “cut” of the girls’ earnings. He may earn money through other means, legal or illegal, but he will certainly enjoy some profit in return for the services he offers.
This list may well be incomplete. It represents only my top of the mind thoughts, but I think it’s clear that a pimp (at least in the pejorative sense of the word) is not simply a marketing machine for the girl. In fact, he may not be a marketing machine at all.
Pimps, I think, are associated with street girls who are vulnerable to being exploited and who require protection.
I believe that the negative meaning of the word comes from the activities that people associate with this exploitation, control and protection… being violent, creating dependencies (on drugs, sex, shelter, whatever).
I don’t think it’s really much of a question whether bar owners such as the ones Kenny chose to highlight profit from the activities of the girls.
If one wants to apply the term “pimp” with all it’s very negative meanings, I think the broader question is whether the owners of Gulliver’s, Orchid and Shark engage in the violent and exploitative activities that trap girls in their employ, prevent them from leaving the life, and result in violence to competitors and unsavory customers.
I don’t think that the owners of these establishments are widely believed to do these things, so I think that it is not appropriate to tag them as “pimps”, though, undoubtedly they profit from the sex that these girls sell.
Are they any more culpable than the girl herself if they don’t force her into the life, or prevent her from leaving? Should they be morally praised for offering the girls a clean safe environment to do what the girl freely chooses to do?
Should I, as a customer, be condemned for supporting the girl’s lifestyle by paying her for sex? Should I be praised for improving her life?
Me? I don’t think prostitution is immoral. I think it’s a job choice, and in Bangkok, not a particularly terrible choice. The owners we are talking about offer employment options in conditions that appear to my untrained eye to be non-exploitative.
I have known a lot of girls in these establishments (or at least ones like them) and every girl I’ve ever met had the choice to work as a bar girl or not, and chose to do it. Unless it was her parents or family, I’ve never seen a girl in Bangkok being pressured to offer sex for money against her will.
So, are these bar owners pimps? Are they terrible people? I don’t think so.
In my opinion Kenny would have liked to continue promoting whore chasing and how to deal with Thailand prostitutes.
Look at all the archived BigBabyKenny articles on where to find freelancers. Where to find girls in esarn. Different locations to find them in Bangkok.
Don’t forget his stellar advice on how to negotiate prices with Thai hookers and where to buy them cheap cell phones.
Just my opinion.
Pssssst – by the way. The bars already been sold. Too late in the game again…just like you were on the Duke of Wellington.
I never lie.
The Duke is going to reopen next week. Bigger and Better than ever.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
IMO,
It is true what you say. Kenny surely would love to be telling us where to find hot thai girls that aren’t prostitutes. and all the archived BigBabyKenny articles were a great resource for mongers.
The advice about negotiating with hookers was pretty facile but the posts about clubs, girls, and hookers in the outback were classic.
The photos sucked but at least they gave you an idea of the girls he was fucking. The stories from the Mango Boys including Penfold are shit, IMO, until they show us some pictures. Otherwise I am going to my grave believing that their shit is mostly shit and the girls they talk about are the dried up hookers like you see in Lumpini.
Just my opinion.
P.S. The Mango Boys and Werewolf would never let you post anything negative the way Kenny does. Gotta give him credit for that.
Oh Yeah.
I didn’t lose my money investing in the Duke of Wellington.
I made money.
Honest.
I never lie.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Bar owners aren’t pimps. Can you imagine a bar owner saying to a girl, “break yourself, bitch?” (i.e. give me your money) The girl would laugh, thinking it was a joke.
Are hotels that charge joiner fees pimps? What about the BIB who get their paws greased by the bars? Of course not.
I think it’s despicable to profit off the p4p scene in a leech-like way, as in the examples above, but at least bar owners provide value for their share of the proceeds.
Quote from Werewolf from his blog:
ALL comments will be subject to moderation; approval is arbitrary and comments may be deleted without explanation. If you don’t understand the need for moderation of comments, visit bigbabykenny.com for an object lesson in what results when an administrator abandons all responsibility for managing comments. Complaining about moderation will not change anything. If you don’t like it, go elsewhere.
Translation from faranglish to English:
Go fuck yourselves if you don’t want to kiss my ass and tell me I am God – Werewolf
Soidog,
Do you think a vocabulary makes a pimp?
Providing women for sex is pimping. Maybe you have friends involved in the sex trade and you don’t want to believe they’re pimps. Just because someone is a pimp, doesn’t mean what they do is bad. The boys over at your stomping grounds are pimps, plain and simple. Just as any brothel or gogo owner is. Pimps.
Hey soidog, why would a Bangkok bar owner speak like a south central nigger?
And furthermore, if you chose to make an analogy you need to cite that which is analogous. Logic and wisdom isn’t your strong suit, is it?
One more thingh…fuck off Werewolf. 555555555555
I also don’t think prostitution is morally wrong, so as long as the owner of a bar, massage parlor, etc. doesn’t use deception or coercion and doesn’t have an affirmative duty to stop a girl from being a prostitute, I don’t think he’s doing anything wrong, either.
One case where bar owners have an affirmative duty is when a girl is underage. I actually stopped going to my favorite bar in Soi Cowboy when one of the mamasans offered me a 15 year old (she actually looked younger than that). I had been a regular customer for a couple of years, so I was surprised that they would think I would be interested, but maybe they assume that all farang like ‘em young.
Mothers also have an affirmative duty. Maybe it was being with me that put them in a bad mood or maybe they were trying to play on my sympathy, but I’ve had many women tell me that they didn’t want to work in a bar, but it was the only way to satisfy their mothers’ financial “needs”.
I am not a Pimp.
I am fucking loaded but the money didn’t come from my share of Mango prostitution revenue.
I got rich in the oil industry.
I never lie.
End of story.
Oh Yeah.
I never had hair so that can’t be me in this picture.
I never lie.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
http://www.aramcoexpats.com/Articles/Pipeline/Saudi-Aramco-News/Dhahran-Media/3750.aspx
Editor’s note: Personal information redacted.
OAPEC – IFP Joint Seminar “The Gas Industry: Current & Future”
Rueil-Malmaison, France, 17-19 June 2008
Integrated Oil & Gas Model
Graham Jones, Dean French, Jay Savla, Saad Al- Ahmari
Saudi Aramco, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
graham.jones@………com
1. Introduction
Saudi Aramco is the largest exporter of crude oil which is produced in five grades of Arab Super Light, Arab Extra Light, Arab Light, Arab Medium and Arab Heavy, from a complex set of interconnected processing facilities – Gas Oil Separation Plants (GOSPs), Crude Stabilizers, pipelines and associated infrastructure. In addition to the export demand, the In-Kingdom demand for crude oil, sales gas, NGL and other petroleum products is also increasing at a fast pace for the rapidly expanding petroleum industry, and growing infrastructure. These products are manufactured from a network of gas plants and NGL facilities with interconnected pipelines that span all over the Kingdom.
Presently, Saudi Aramco’s Oil Supply Planning & Scheduling (OSPAS) Department is responsible for issuing and updating the Company Oil, Gas & NGL Operating and Business Plans which are generated on spreadsheet based model. In order to develop a state-of-the-art Planning and Forecasting system using rigorous process simulation models and economic optimization capabilities, a capital project was initiated by Saudi Aramco Engineering Services to provide an Integrated Oil & Gas Model. This Model was developed by integrating process engineering modeling software that simulates process facilities with a planning application to maximize the net revenue while meeting the product demand within a set of defined constraints. For generating the optimized plans, the Model simultaneously analyzes and optimizes the entire upstream facilities while taking into consideration the energy consumption for producing Oil, Gas & NGL products..
This presentation will provide an overview of the technology and methodology used in develop the Integrated Oil & Gas Model and plans to enhance the model to derive additional benefits from reducing the energy cost and increasing production.
2. Key Features
The key challenges facing Saudi Aramco are the size of the process models, the involvement of multiple departments, data accuracy and developing a heat and mass balance across multiple models.
How Saudi Aramco has achieved the objective will be outlined as followed
The first part will outline the scope and size of the SAUDI ARAMCO operations to be modeled along with requirements of the integration technology.
The second part will discuss the key drivers for integration and the strategy implemented to integrate and process models within SAUDI ARAMCO.
The third part will show how the new business and operating plan methodology has been implemented to provide a rigorous analysis and optimization of the complete Oil and Gas value chain. This will be highlighted with comparison of plan versus actual data and illustrate how the new model has been used to identify significant revenue enhancement opportunities.
The fourth part will outline the future vision including more detailed energy analysis and the use of the integrated models for capacity creep assessment.
3. Conclusions
Saudi Aramco has successfully developed a new business and operating plan methodology by the implementation of new technology methods to integrate rigorous process models with planning models. This model has been used successfully in developing the 2009 – 2013 Business Plan, where significant revenue enhancements have been identified. In addition it has been used on several studies for future outlook planning.
4. References and Bibliography
NA
Speaker’s Biography
Graduated in Chemical Engineering from London University and joined BP working in design and Operations. Since 1991 has worked extensively overseas in the Middle East, Far East and the USA, before joining SAUDI ARAMCO in August 2000. Since joining SAUDI ARAMCO has focused on integrating Engineering and Business software across the complete Supply Value Chain.
GOokamonkey you are one smug asshole.
The sarcasm dripping from this post makes me want to vomit.
So are you saying that the Mango Boys are the evil empire from Star wars and you are luke skywalker.
What does that make the whores you used to write about before the big deletion. Princess Leeah.
Wait. The urge to vomit is gone. Now I can’t stop laughing. At you. Haha.
I once thought Kenny was the King of Thai Porn when I read all the cool shit on V1.0 and then what happens? Fucking stoopid boxjaw gooka-fuckin-monkey deleted all the shit. Every last piece of it. I was like, WTF is this? Asshole communist. Now I see he’s censoring the good comments about Keith going to chase after …..teen year olds and other sex stuff. You know, the young, fresh meat stories, as Kenny used to say when he was cool. Now I guess he’s worried about being labeled a pedophile or somethin…..I dunno but it just plain sucks.
LOOK, JUST LOOK. All the fucking censorship in the comments. No censorship and my cock is 18 inches too you dumbass gookafuck.
Lets just talke about stupid restaurant reviews and Keith Summers and Stickman like that’s really interesting – BIG FUCKING YAWN.
Now he’s just another hasbeen that’s bending over for the man. Way to go Mr. and hope you get yours for deleting everything. What’s wrong with you?
One thing hasnt changed is he never answars questions about nothin. Why is that gookaprof? Nothin in Econ 101 about that is that the prob? Can’t think on youre feet? A-hole. Got you on one end and that angry Poo-fuck on the other. He never fucking shuts up. If you write 5 paragraphs he’ll write 10. If you write 10 that dumbass will write 30. Every wonder why his parents named him John? Cause his minds a fucking toilet. True that.
IWZ tells it like it is. That’s the type of comment a man makes. Not some coward shit like that kenny writes anymore.
@ John Galt
Thanks for all the nifty information about the US government, Corporate Media and your opinions on what is possible and impossible.
Please elaborate. I’d like you to tell me where NBCABCCNNSCBS gets its information.
Your amusing “cost of a toilet seat” is almost tragic in its portrayal of your level of sophistication and your education and your basic critical faculties and capacity for critical thought and analysis.
You “just know” all this stuff without looking at the evidence.
You just know.
If this is really Keith Summers signing in as John Galt and i f this is what you take as evidence,
have some good sound solid basic advice for you:
Go back to the States and get yourself some kind of training.
You have some good years left in spite of all the
torturous self-delusion with which you baste your brain and your psyche.
Keith, you are just too damaged and too simple-minded to last much more than a few years out here.
I wouldn’t normally post here on BBK under my own monkier – I use around 4 or 5 other fake names - but this is *Serious*
REWARD : for missing Goat
Escaped from my apartment Wednesday afternoon
Muscular Goat with bright brown eyes & attractive rump
Responds to the the name *Big Gullly*
Location : Burbank
*Pleeeease*help me, I am lost without him
If you had any evidence the main stream media would be all over it and you would be hailed as a national hero….
I am a man of science with college level exposure to Chemistry, Physics, Electronic theory, and Calculus. Though I would not claim to be an expert in any of those fields, one begins to see the difficulties in creating grand conspiracies.
I distinctly remember a friend of mine asking me “Hey, are we going to have big trouble with Y2K with the satellites overhead and the banking systems?” I accurately predicted “No” because I had some fundamental understanding on how things in the computer realm worked.
The perpetuation of conspiracies is fundamental to the fear of you not knowing what you’re talking about…. it is akin to a Salem witch hunt.
If I posted that witches do in fact exist and are controlling the Internet, would you believe that? Or is your level of science understanding beyond that level?
At one time we were all somewhat troubled about the possibility that monsters existed at the bottom of the sea… but Jacques Cousteau went down there and showed us around….now we are not afraid of that unknown.
Simple minded? Yes, simple is good. One of my favorite quotes is that of Einstein… he said “Everything should be a simple as possible, but not any simpler!”
Ah..just the man!
I’m after a dozen red high intensity led traffic-lite globes for my April fools joke next year
I’m going to replace all the green ones around my neighborhood with the red ones
End result…traffic chaos!
chortle chortle
How much? Please no crappy Chinese cheapies either
After reading several of your expose’ and your hostile responses to reader’s comments i certainly understand why you’ve chosen “big baby” as part of your personal moniker. the basis of most of your arguments have little merit and remind me of early-pubescent banter i hear as i drive by the local junior high school on my way to work each morning.
perhaps you should have an intelligent thought/comment before you make that type of demand of your readers
Keith
Look I don’t want to get into this with you.
daffy at least had this amazing double-jointed mendacity thing going for him.
You on the other hand are demonstrably ignorant if a the facts and information surrounding the affair, the workings of the American government (or any government and geo-politics in general) and physics.
This would be an exercise in me, supplying facts and information and you trumping up really stoopid, inconclusive opinion based
contrapuntal argument based on my information and propelled by your ignorance, your lack of information and your desperate need
(much like daffy’s desperate need) to find supporters for your maniacal campaigns.
I can’t conceiver of anything more boring.
Where daffy refuses to debate me on the facts because he knows he’ll lose.
You crave engagement for the sake of engagement.
Your screeds at Stickman if you must know are the verbal equivalent of a dog chasing its tale . . . . . right out on to the expressway.
As an adversary you are a complete waste of time .
Big Bully Gulliver
I could use a guy like you on my team. Nothing to intense, just threaten the late payers, use your online muscle to bring the Kenny crowd into line, that sort of thing
I’m thinking all confrontation up-front but behind the scenes all “pink triangle/man-love”, they will never know
Tony
The Family Mart just next to Nana would go broke were it not for P4P. The pharmacy accross the road also.
Be that as it may, listen to this radio program on Pimping in San Fransisco circa 1970. Excellent, entertaining stuff:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=918
127: Pimp Anthropology
This entire show is devoted to just one story. A former pimp tells how he and three childhood friends became pimps in the 1970s in Oakland, California. He explains all the elaborate “rules of the game” among pimps and prostitutes of that era. He didn’t have the stomach for the violence of pimping, and failed as a pimp because of that.
that’s great, mike. the regular readers of this blog thank you for your contribution and opinion. here, comments like yours are “welcome, celebrated and warmly embraced” as the “big baby” has been known to say.
and since you’ve made it clear that you won’t be staying (based on your lack of appreciation for content, etc.), don’t be discouraged. feel free leave but do please continue to visit, explore and enjoy the many OTHER wondrous sites that the web has to offer. perhaps you will find another more to your liking. thx.
Check out the pictures of the renovated Mango.
http://www.bigmangobar.com/category/big-mango-bar/pics-big-mango-bar/
Based on comments, they fired all the staff and brought in new.
These pictures are false advertising.
The girls in the picture don’t work in Big Mango.
They are employed by Jim Beam and only show up if the owners of a bar have a special event and pay them.
Nice try mango boys but on a regular night there are ZERO fuckable girls at the Mango and ZERO available girls who don’t work there.
http://www.bigmangobar.com/wp-content/images/albums/Anniversary2-2010/index.html
Now C’Mon
I WILL BE NOTICED
I am THE DUCK
You Spoon-heads
Come to MY newly renamed blog
The New Mango Bar looks just like the Old Mango Bar.
According to the pictures, its’ still one big sausage festival.
Bunch of ugly dudes playing with themselves and not a girl in sight.
Cmon. Can’t you read the business listing.
The Big Mango has 20 employees (prostitutes) on the payroll.
I know everytime you visit its the same 5 girls who have been working there for the last 5 years.
Maybe the other 15 girls are hiding under the pool table or are lying on the floor behind the bar.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
So, what did I do to David? He let people claim I was a pedophile in his forum. I published many times that all my girls were of legal age. None were under 15 in Thailand. I did follow up and I did publish his name. It was up on line for a few months. Then I took it down.
I was called all kinds of names and they tried to smear me because I knew Stickman’s real name and I knew where he worked and he knew where I worked and Marc Knew where David worked. and his ex let me in on the whole story and I will publish that in an upcoming article. Stickman was trying to employ a little “shock and awe” to run me off before I “outed” him to the public and shock and awed him and his buddied and shut them up..
I dubbed that web site “MangoSquash” and that pet name took hold. MangoSquash continued to squash people until such time as one close friend of David’s deemed him over the line and he contacted me with David’s full name. I was going to destroy him for being friend with Stickman. When I published what his last name rhymed with, that was it. It was over. David closed up shop. It was only in the past 6 months or so that David removed the articles about me.
That shit he did on the web site was an embarrassment to us all anyhow. Generally, it holds true that if you don’t have the balls to identify yourself and take credit for what you believe in, then you probably have no business publishing it.
My thinking is that he is more prominent in Thailand now than before. Some say he is the new owner of Thai Visa. He certainly doesn’t want to screw that up. I certainly can understand that.MangoSauce became a tool for Stickman in taking my name, address, phone number, DOB and publishing them to the web. Now my mom knows what I was uo to and that hurt. Her friends and neighbors all got emails and letters with pictures of me on the Man Tour & I was physically threatened, called a pedophile, even though my girls were of legal consent in Thailand.
Stickman miss-calculate the results of that activity.. and today in leu of the truth, he claims that he met with David of MangoSauce and accidentally divulged the information…. (must of just slipped out of Stickman’s shirt pocket and on to the table)
David was in the business of smear and humiliation. Not all his articles targeted people but a great many did. It wasn’t of any interest to me because I like a little substance with any good roast.
Why? Because he dished it out on me and Marc started the dirty keith website and it just went from there and my goal is to drive Stickman out of Thailand with my upcoming atrticle.
Stay tuned people the fun is begun.
The Galt
I hope the burgers are better than the photography. I did see what I believe to be the infamous soi 22 slagger Werewolf in one of the pics.
I hope they haven’t “renovated” the menu again. It’s teeny tiny already. Put the renovation party at the top of your must-do social events. Feel priviledged to buy Graham a drink while he tells you how rich he is. I can’t wait
Graham just confirmed that The Big Mango is for sale and the advertisement on Sunbelt Asia is The Big Mango over on BDK.com.
He did it in a Clintonesque manner.
Direct quote, “The Mango hasn’t been sold.”
No denial that it is for sale or that the Sunbelt Asia listing isn’t The Big Mango.
Nice job Kenny. Allways with the 411.
Quite mundane burgers there. hehehe.
U.S. citizens such as the owners of The Big Mango, like all Americans, must report all foreign bank accounts and foreigh owned businesses on their personal tax returns.
If they are receiving income from ownership of a foreign business that must report and pay tax on that income as if it were earned in the United States.
If a U.S. citizens, such as Nicholas Dattoma and Michael Francis Smith, didn’t report their shares of the The Big Mango on their personal returns, didn’t report their bank accounts in Thailand including business accounts, they are in violation of the tax code and subject to back taxes and penalties.
Normally the IRS doesn’t bother with small amounts, but if The Big Mango is sold for $200,000 USD, the sale and proceeds should be reported to avoid the likelihood of a IRS audit.
For that amount of money, the IRS would be interested especially if there were taxes due on years of unreported income on which taxes and penalites were never paid.
In the case of The Big Mango, they are claiming 10,000 a month in income for 10 years.
That is 1,200,000 USD in income plus the 200,000 sale price.
$1,400,000 is an amount that would justify the IRS commiting the resources and time to collect upon.
The IRS could place a lien on the Mango shares which could be enforced against a new owners if he was a U.S. citizen.
Just something to consider.
Oh Yeah.
Speaker’s Biography
Graham Jones graduated in Chemical Engineering from London University and joined BP working in design and Operations. Since 1991 has worked extensively overseas in the Middle East, Far East and the USA, before joining SAUDI ARAMCO in August 2000. Since joining SAUDI ARAMCO has focused on integrating Engineering and Business software across the complete Supply Value Chain.
@IRS accountant, the IRS has been notified of the devious deeds of the desperate duo. It’s funny when you think about. Michael was such a tax and spend liberal advocate, but he wouldn’t pony up any of his own cash. Pay back is a bitch.
If the Big Mango is sold, do you think it would be a good idea for the new owner to change the name?
All the internet feuding has really made them famous, but a lot of the publicity has been negative.
Do you think the bar will sell at a premium over similar bars because it is well known?
woke up hungry today. had breakfast. hey, maybe the name for breakfast is meant to mean something. began to look for my digi-cam when g4 called and told me that dunkin donuts had opened a new store out in bang na and they were giving away free donut holes. yeah, i’m there. we decided to meet at the corner of asoke and sukhumvit and take the bus from there. good turnout. roll call: barney fife, kid creole, shithead, mr. fabulous, bob crane and tooth pick dude. needless to say many holes were had by all. too stuffed to go out after that so we all headed our separate ways. i went home to play devastation IV. time for sleep now.
This is all too funny. You think all this up yourself Kenny? Great fiction writing there guys. No wonder BigBabyKenny is and continues to be the joke of the Thailand blogging scene.
Just so everyone knows, nobody from the Mango or the regulars who comment on Big Dummy Kenny comment on this blog. Actually there maybe only one person from another blog who bothers with this garbage pit. Take a guess who.
Kenny needs the traffic so he fakes all these names to give the impression that his site is “happening”.
It’s incredulous that Kenny haters and mango lovers just can’t accept that many people post here. It’s fun and easy. Everyone does it. Even those that criticize his policies.
)
So Kenny is a joke? Of course the defeated Mangoans think so and all the other so called serious bloggers think the same. But who really cares what members of the “blogging scene” think. Personally I think bloggers are a bunch of self absorbed blowhards. I just like to comment, especially when it is totally free of censorship and pure like BigBabyKenny is.
Answer this question someone: Why does Kenny need traffic here? He doesn’t, but you haters keep coming back for more. Why? At least the Hate Junkie is honest of his reasons.
Excellent word “incredulous.”
Here is better one “pathetic”.
I’ll use it in a sentence.
It is pathetic the way the Mango crew come on this site and post how irrelevant the site is and how noone posts here when the very fact that they do it is confirmation that BigBabyKenny.com is relevant and everyone posts here.
Oh Yeah. When have anyone in the Mango Crew ever shown a sense of humor?
That includes Daffy, Big Black Gulliver, Pattaya Ghost, Young Penfold, and Bangkok Bad Boy.
What they are known for is taking themselves and thier little bar waaaaaaaaaaay to seriously.
Which brings us to another excellent word, “pontificating”.
As Kenny would say pontificating Self Professed Masters of The Universe the lot of them.
@I See The Bullshit,
“ nobody from the regulars who comment on Big Dummy Kenny comment on this blog.”
Regulars ? You mean the 2 of them – Gully & SBODTWAT.
Hehehe…
Don’t forget about *cough cough* me
I keep saying I won’t post here but its the choice of having 3 readers over there or hundreds here – I’m an attention seeker so it’s a no brainer
Oh and *very funny* about having Daddy issues. That was Proofwreck in one of his dozen monikers no doubt
Pretty interesting numbers – it’s gotta be the Mango, as I don’t believe there are any other bars on lower Sukhumvit with that matcht the description.
So at this asking price and assuming the numbers are as stated, an investor would, at first glance, appear to expect a return of slightly over 50% per annum on his investment (3,500,000/6,000,000). Not bad, especially compared to what you’d earn by putting your money in a fixed account or other conservative investment. However, these numbers don’t take into account the salary needed to pay a manager. Assuming you’d want a very experienced farang bar manager, as was previously the case, you would likely eat up most, if not all, of your 125,000 per month profit and likely just break even.
Thus, unless the investor would derive some intangible benefit from managing the pub himself, he’s better off putting his money in the bank and pursuing other employment.
A business is only as good as the people in it, hiring the right employees is the key to its future and should be taken seriously.
Employers who have made poor hiring decisions often find themselves with all kinds of problems. The smaller the business, the less it is able to afford the time and costs involved in hiring and then firing, the wrong employee.
Seems like few bar owners don’t think about the fact that these people are going to be dealing with their customers and representing the business so only good things said about the business.
why dun yous just get sum balls n ask da burga boys what da inside skinny is?
sure dey broke as but ya dun have to snipe. just say oi kunts, why yas business poo at the mo?
ya mate drummy
It’s been on the market for quite a while and I doubt very much they’d get anywhere near the asking price. I think it’s pretty poor ROI compared to the risk. Sunbelt Asia have numerous other bars for sale for a lot less and with higher profits.
Only a sucker would buy into a bar with such high overhead when you can get much more for less.
And getting the money out is hard – you shouldn’t compare it to a safe bank investment. If the lease is up the landlord can throw you out and keep any asset improvements.
A long lease is key and the business plan should include recouping the investment during that time as well as turning a profit.
Yea, I as local do visit Big Mango sometimes, but I do wonder how on earth they keep their business open. How the clientel of locals in-the-know is enough to keep it afloat.
Shame, really shame, it is reasonably priced place (Tiger pint only 80 baht!!!), and I like the free pop corn a lot! Good tvs and I enjoyed theyr Star Trek party a lot. :) I do not like big time the fact that they dont have comfortable seats though but I guess that is what you would call American bar style….It is just a big shame that they were pushed out of NEp, it was the only reason for me to visit that whole dump. To have beer, and look at the ugly madness.
Free popcorn?
Yeah Baby. I’m there.
Do I have to buy anything for the popcorn?
There are only a few whiteys that run bars to a good profit.
Peter (countless bars and restaurants on cowboy and nana) smashes it. why? cos he’s smart as fuck and will fight to the death.
French dude (forget his name) owns Baccara.
Don’t know his secret – but know his wife is the fittest piece of crumpet i’ve ever seen – sorry i digress
however, smitty and pmmp – google geeks??
never would work.
only gone on so long and even have a chance of selling because of their net savvy in promotion game. business is worth shit, losing money every month. graham seems to be supporting it as he’s loaded with money from the arab world – but it has no style no soul and no pedigree
@MC. Agree with most of what you say but if they were so “net savvy” why did they take on Kenny.
I am sure Kenny accepts an apology early in the game and the Mango boys avoid the internet beating and bad press that is still going on and killed their businesses.
In business, personal skills trumps Net Savvy methinks.
STOP PRESS !!!!!
Mundy Bangkok just announced that he has arranged access to the archives of the old Werewolf Liar blog in order to re-print material.
Mundy, it’s gonna be ace if you run again the classic where Werewolf travels to Pattaya and shags his “not so crazy ex girlfriend” SEVEN TIMES in less than 24hrs.
Thanks
And while on the topic. Could BBK re-post from version 1 of the blog the legendary entry “How much are bars and restaurants losing” and the masterpiece “Business analysis and a lesson in how not to lose your money in Thailand”.
Until they jumped on him, kenny never said anything bad about the mango. in the beginning Kenny come into the mango everynight before bar crawling through nana.
he liked a bunch of the mango girls and dated the cute little girl who racked the balls for the pool table. everyone wondered how he did it because she spoke english little. cant remember her name buy she was too young for gogo work and her sister worked upstairs at baccare with big tits. heard she went to work there when she got to be 20 and got a big young white guy boyfriend and quit the bars.
no reason to jump on kenny or werewolf for being a loyal friend.
just mango mean people i guess.
If Bill isn’t going to write about fucking whores who cars what he writes.
Nice bit of revisionist history.
Kenny got a stick up his ass when they took down one of his articles on the big mango blog. He then went postal and used this website as a podium to right his perceived wrong.
Almost 3 years later and he is still crying. Indeed a “BigBaby”.
I hope he releases the archives. My daddy doesn’t like him.
Hanrahans does a good steady business. The Mango could only wish that they could muster 10 % of our business.
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when mango start losing money, nic and mike go crazy. they sell points to customers so the bar built with no money them. For a little, nic and mike pay point people money end of month but then say no more money because politics and Kenny give mango bad name.
Customers who give money yell much at nic and mike saying why start fued with Kenny? fued cost money and make them poor. kenny always nice never say bad thing. stupid and bad business. Nic say he will fix and write
Kenny boss and tell Kenny will get beat up. Kenny get very mad and say fuck you. Nic tell
prufrock don’t write on kenny blog and prufrock get mad and tell nic fuck off too. many people tell nic and mike not nice and say fuck you again.
customers who give money more mad at nic because people want no come Mango because Nic give bad feeling. customer not like be called hater like kenny say.
so everybody mad. barry and steve have fight with nic and mike. mango lose many customer and now have to sell maybe. Iwork mango so Iknow and Itell you.
Well stated Protonic.
Hi protonic
>>Nic tell prufrock don’t write on kenny blog and prufrock get mad and tell nic fuck off too. many people tell nic and mike not nice and say fuck you again<<
actually, the way it went was that “others” told me that I shouldn’t write on kenny’s blog . . . . that I should confine myself to the political blogs. These “others” didn’t have any idea and still do not have any idea about 9/11 skepticism but they had the gall to suggest that I shouldn’t do this. I ignored these “others”
The subtext there was that my posts were contributing to Kenny’s traffic.
Yeah, whatever. Hard (fucking) cheese.
My conversation with “nic” was something to the effect that he couldn’t understand why I could be friends and drink with a guy like Kenny. (Remember, this was the isolate “Kenny phase” of this feud.) I said that I found the guy interesting and, as everyone knows, decent conversation with people who have actually read a fucking book or nine and who have the resiliency of intellect to entertain opposing opinions is rare in Bangkok. So I’d continue to hang with him. Sorry.
(This was actually in the Mango one evening, near the Mango’s old cash register . . maybe DW’s birthday . . I forget. Nic gave me this strange hug and said “The friend of my enemy is my enemy . . . . . . . . and then a sort of muffled fuck off” (It was a party and he’d had a few drinks)
My response? “S-s-s-s’ok nic, we were never that close on anything ever were we ;-?
I left the bar soon after and then the chubbette with the good face and the massive hooters chased me done the street for a bill I’d paid already.
No problem. For the bill and for what nic said to me.
In his position I might have said the same to Prufrock.
But I won;t be told who to associate with. I’m sure nic would feel the same in my position.
Respect.
We only have a few genuine investigative journalists in the world, and they include notably Seymour Hersh and Robert Fisk. But even their work must be subject to evaluation. They can have things planted on them, and they make mistakes.
The WikiLeaks material is undoubtedly authentic, but that does not at all exclude an underlying purpose in its release.
It is a well-known practice of intelligence agencies to give large bits of genuine material, none of it too compromising, in order to get either an important piece of intelligence in return or to “bury” some damaging deception like a fish hook planted in a minnow.
The CIA used to brag of having a huge house organ whose keys could be played to create the sense of a Bach fugue of seeming news. It was talking about all the publications, both compliant and duped, in which it could plant a story and have it reverberate ultimately as a convincing event.
I’m not sure whether WikiLeaks itself falls into the compliant or duped category, but the nature of the material, the main themes plus the many important things undoubtedly missing, say something important to those listening carefully.
I am completely underwhelmed by the content of the military WikiLeaks, both this time and previously.
Very little there that well-informed people did not already know. Yes, of course, the juicy tidbits about so-and-so said are fun, and so they are meant to be, but they are not all that informative.
I am sure there are countless lies and atrocities contained in the universe covered so far by WikiLeaks, but they are not in the material released.
The idea that no one knows where Assange is also strikes me as slightly ridiculous in this age of massive intelligence operations and the trampling of individual rights in the name of fighting terror.
If you think otherwise because of Osama bin Laden, you are rather late in learning he has been dead since the bombing of Tora Bora. The United States has kept him alive, as it were, for a focus in its insane War on Terror.
Cui bono?
The US looks like an innocent victim, just guilty of some unpleasant gossip here and there. Who wouldn’t know that? Israel gains support for an attack on Iran.
The leaks serve Israeli-Pentagon interests.
And do so in a convincing, seemingly disinterested way.
These leaks also serve America’s now cancerously-swollen intelligence apparatus in seeking more repression and secrecy within American society.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199909–.htm
Hi Evening Standard
Well, that’s a start i suppose.
Their is a wealth of information out there. Apropos of your comments regarding tainted journo’s
there’s the massive Operation Mockingbird. Thousands of journalists were co-opted into the
service of the CIA and the 18 other intelligence agencies of whom some have never been given names.
“Can’t tell ya, I’d have to kill ya.” Fuck it, man, I’m gonna kill ya anyway” is how some pf them worked
in Honduras and Guatemala.
Currently, there’s a vastly funded disinformation service geared to corrupting the flow of information on the internet.
$ 2.2 Trillion goes an awful long way even today.
Hey daffy? just think of all the cocks you could yummy down on in that organization.
Hey daffy, this has gone on far enough – I hate to have to break it to you, but you continue to make a Grade A fool of yourself.
Why?
Because you have been posting comments under fake names on Kenny’s site for going on nearly 5 months now. So I certainly don’t know how you know it’s been me, daffy, you’ve been conversing with, but I’m certainly impressed.
Kudos to you and your uncanny ability to ‘… immediately sniff out the likes of daffy and his asswipe “Gulliver” …” – I’m embarrassed to say, but your “sniff” hit-rate rings all the bells (hence, once again driving home the “blow-monkey-to-the-stars” moniker I had earlier bestowed upon myself.)
So, no need to repeat this again, since it appears that you are quite astute when it comes to picking off even my best trolls:
- I have posted at least a hundred comments on Kenny’s BBK sit-in the last 5 months, either under my RDD alias, or any other alias I felt like using at the time.
- I used to only only post as RDD anyway, but I just added that since I do have a history of posting under dozens of aliases (something I have rarely admitted to but, as i said, you really did ring all the bells).
Thus, in summary, your repeated and regular claims of “recognizing” and “sniffing out” Daffy’s and Gulliver’s posts have been, at best, mind-chillingly accurate, at their best only further undermining my credibility of being a “super troll”.
I am really sorry, that the only conclusion is that a couple of others are getting the shock of their lives now after I lied and deceived them into having all those goes at you, and exploiting my boundless vanity and my infinitely over-blown assessment of my own super-powers. Hey, all for good fun, right?.
After all, if you’re the one running around with a T-Shirt that says “9/11 WAS AND IS AND INSIDE JOB!” . . . .bring it”
so I don’t blame others for pushing your buttons. Of course I know that there’s lot’s fishy about 9/11 but since I don’t have the guts to use my talents to help fight this tremendous battle I’ll just watch others bite your ankles,
The funniest thing about all of this is that I lied to a couple of my co-workers that I like to call my friends that if I didn’t completely step away, and continued lying through my teeth that you would keep going, seeing “Daffy” in every corner and every shadow.
I was right (of course, as usual).
Now, after that confession I’m going off and do some Big Black Gully searching. I need to – that, and stock up on the finger condoms for my slightly miniaturized however aesthetically pleasing weenie.
(this was posted for all to see here:
http://bigbabykenny.com/?p=4181#comment-81136
you know, the site you *never* go to, except every now and then… s
Your lying fucktard
daffy duck
daffy, really man
There was just s-o-o-o-o-o-o “nothing at all new” in either game or substance in that self serving fucking post you sent to my email address.
(relax asshole, with your record for honourable comportment, I have no desire to enter into private correspondence with you any time soon.
Once was enough. We’ll just keep it here
You just keep making up names and I’ll just keep hammering your sweaty efforts with the truth.
Now piss off and write yourself some new fan-mail.
And while you’re at it, why not try posting on some of these new blogs that have appeared recently in the local blogosphere.
Their authors haven’t heard of you yet. It’ll take at least a week for them to catch on to your reputation as a notorious fucking troll.
What an asshole. Starts a fight with a guy whose position he agrees with in principle.
Attacks another man he’s never met who’s into a scrap with a bar he’s visited once or twice and against which he’s launched a recorded complaint about the food.
Lies about having started his vanity blog and then skates away with it when he’s told top cut the shit.
Listen carefully daffy.
I’ll give you the same message that your buddy Keith got: stay off this blog and stop posting shit on your own silly trash-talk site and you’ll never hear from me again.
What else is there to do.
Just get lost daffy.
Piss off.
What could be easier?
Take me word for it. Nick is a joke around town.
The Mango is a tiny bar with a few prostitutes and a pool table.
In the bar industry its a pimple on the elephants ass.
The big players are places like Angelwitch, Rainbow 4, Baccara, Tilac, the arabs bars and Rawhide and Long Gun. Among bars the biggies are The Dubliner, The Londoner, and Gulivers
Any one of these bars do 100 times the business as The Mango in tab and barfines.
Nick running his piehole about his little backwater acting like he is a big cheese is a joke.
The other bar owners laugh when he shows up and starts running his mouth as if he was making money and had customers.
He aint got the weight to tell anyone, including John, to shut up.
The “bar” business is prostitution clear and simple. Any claim there is any reason men spend money in lower sukhumvit bars except to conduct business with prostitutes is blowing a smoke screen. Own a lower sukhumvit bar that has girls on staff and you are smack dab in the middle of the biggest whore and brothel industry in Asia.
Hypocrites bar owners that claim they are not taking advantage of impoverished young girls are lying clear and simple. Money goes directly into their pocket everytime a girl goes home with a customer for sex and money goes indirectly into their pocket everytime a girl drink is bought and the John buys a drink for himself.
The class of individual the ownership in the brothel business atrracts, and, surely The Big Mango fits the brothel definition, are what you would expect of individuals who choose to make their living as middlemen for young girls forced by their poverty to sell their bodies. These are the lowest scum of humanity. A bank robber has a greater claim to the moral high ground than a Sukhumivit bar owner for they are only taking peoples money not their self respect and human dignity.
Sunbelt Asia should also be called out for aiding and abetting these businesses by allowing them to adveritse on their site and for making a commisiion of their sale.
Decent people, like myself, should refuse to have anything do with them professionally, financially, or personally.
I do.
John K, I sucked Nick Allder cock and fucked his wife.
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Star Trek The Final Frontier. Star Trek The Final Frontier.
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Prostitution is LEGAL in Thailand.
GoGo bars need a license to operate and those licenses are not easy to get.
Nicholas, Michael, and Graham are running prostitutes. No doubt about it but they are engaged in a legal, government licensed, business.
Selling marijuana is legal in Denmark. An American can open a marijuana cafe in Denmark and he is doing nothing wrong under Danish or U.S. law. He reports his income and pays his taxes to the Danish and the U.S. government and he has no legal problem.
No different that running a bar in lower Suk with prostitutes on the payroll.
The Mango Boys are doing nothing illegal under Thai or U.S. law.
End of story.
Harry Zink, I fucked “Nick Allder’s wife” Burbank, CA
Nick Allder, Visual Effects Supervisor , The Alien Legacy
David C.Fein, Producer , The Alien Legacy
Michael Matessino, Producer , The Alien Legacy
Douglas Trumbull, John Dykstra, Richard Yuricich, Lindsley Parsons, Robert Swarthe, Joe Jennings, Leon Harris, John Vallone, Lee Cole.
Nicholas Dattoma “Yes I own the brothel in Bangkok”, Director of Engineering at BEA systems and Oracle.
Michael Francis Smith “I run a whorehouse in Bangkok”, Yahoo Evangalist, Singapore and Indonesia.
Graham H. Jones, Oil Field Roustabout, Algeria
Harry Zink, IT consultant Burbank CA
BigBlackGulliver, homosexual with a small dick.
Graham H. Jones, Process and Control Systems (P&CSD) Saudi ARAMACO and owner of the The Big Mango Bar Brothel in Bangkok.
Saleh A. Al-Zaid, Manager, Process and Control Systems (P&CSD)
Taher M. Al-Nemer, supervisor of P&CSD’s Pipelines and Simulation Unit
Omar S. Bazuhair, chief engineer from Engineering;
Ahmed A. Metwalli, assistant to executive head of E&P Planning;
Saleh A. Al-Zaid, P&CSD manager; Isam A. Al-Bayat, vice president of Engineering Services
http://www.aramcoexpats.com/Articles/Pipeline/Saudi-Aramco-News/Dhahran-Media/3750.aspx
Yo, DTR, prostitution is not legal in Thailand.
Now impersonating Saphan Loy as well.
I was wondering how long that would take.
Do you think anybody relevant really cares?
Maybe some interest in a few psych wards to the level of insanity being exhibited.
Does Prufrock know he’s the butt of jokes in the Bangkok expat community?
OH THE HUMANITY!!!
Hey Kenny
I’m just curious as to how this nonsense gets through your moderation
screening but my comment on daffy’s latest tantrum-fest has been in
moderation for a while now.
Is there any explanation ?
Why does the obvious drek you see posted above get through but my
insightful comments seem to get held up.
This is the first time I’ve mentioned it but it is
by no means the first time it’s happened.
Girl work mango nic no like.
Monday week nic have meeting. All girl must come.
nic tell girl if not go with customer then not get salary.
tell girl how be nice with customer and say fat old customer must still go because customer mad when girl say no.
some girl work mango not want sex customer but nic say no sex then no have mango job.
some girl cry but need money so they do but no like nic.
nic and mike fight. nic say girl must sex. mike say no but mango have customer little so nic win.
1 girl no work mango again. other girl need money so they sex customer.
I have sex customer I like and no sex customer no like.
nic mad me but he no hit me and not take job mine.
1 girl make customer mango boyfrend. nic want customer give mango 10000 but customer say no.
nic tell customer girl have to work mango forever if not give 10000.
customer mad much but give nic 10000. girl mad too. long time get good man and maybe nic make man go away.
nic not nice. want money too much.
I work mango. I truth. I tell you.
Prufy, I do believe there is a conspiracy brewing to silence you… but you won’t find any evidence to prove it…
ahhg! gasp! uuuugh! ahhahahhhhhhhh! whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hello. woke up early today. don’t know why. maybe it’s because i went to bed early. anyway, my plan today is to go to a doctor. it seems i have a condition called phimosis. thats when one’s foreskin doesn’t retract. I never thought too much of it but g4 noticed it while we were peeing at one of the large trough urinals at the ranch. he tried to help me pull it back but it was quite painful, so I decided to see a doctor about it. I’m thinking of a western trained doctor. after the doctor visit i will look for free food somewhere. my scouts are scouring all of bangkok for anything free.
i hope my bar buddies will be out tonight. the thought of going to the parking lot or ranch and actually talking to girls is too much for me. i prefer the company of gentlemen. there’s never a shortage of conversation with my friends. we ogle and giggle and then I go home to fondle. hehehe.
Prufrock says:
April 26, 2011 at 4:34 am
“Why does the obvious drek you see posted above get through but my insightful comments seem to get held up.”
Do we need any more “Pruf” that Frufrock is an egotistic, self-serving, pompus blowhard?
Hahahaha Hehehe Hohoho
He said he loves his new career move. Beats the hell outta the construction industry where he was responsible for spraying off truck tires before they left the job site.
@protonic
All GoGo and beer bars, including The Big Mango, have a monthly or weekly meeting, attendance required, where the mamasan and manager listen to the girls and find out what is going right and wrong in the bar.
The girls tell the mamasan and manager what is preventing them from barfining. Maybe the music is too loud for conversation. Maybe the girl drink prices are not competetive. Maybe getting up to go dance on stage is happening too frequently. We listen and try to make positive changes. If the girls are barfining then they are happy and the bar is making money.
The girls also share tips about how to sell drinks and get barfined. What approaches work and what turns guys off. They also share tips on how to get the most in fees for having sex. The successful long time girls help the newbies get in the groove. At a well run successful GoGo or beer bar it is really a team effort.
When the girls are barfining and everyone is making money the bar has a feel good vibe which gives the place an electric feel that juices everybody up and feeds the action.
Bottom line. Each girl has to meet her barfine quota or the bar will lose money on them. Its simple math. A girls salary might be 25,000 per month. She has to barfine and girl drink enough that the bar gets the 25,000 back. She can sell 500 girl drinks becaus we make 50% on them or she can barfine 40 times per month because we get 600 per barfine. If a girl can’t do that then we let her go because she is not paying for herself.
The Big Mango bar is no different. Every girl has to do her quota or she is going to get fired.
BTW, the barfine is not prostitution because the customer is only paying to release the girl from work. He is not paying for sex. Technically speaking that is.
DTR
P.S. Sorry but I accidently posted this in the wrong post. Kenny can please delete the duplicate. THX.
Michael Francis Smith Jr
Director , Yahoo, South East Asia
Director of the Yahoo Developer Network (developer.yahoo.com) in Southeast Asia, Michael Smith Jr. is responsible for creating the technical evangelism programs for developers as well as working with startups and government agencies to help foster internet/mobile growth across the region. Prior to Yahoo!, Michael has been living in Thailand studying Thai, working within the technology startups across Southeast Asia and consulting with various companies across the region on their social media strategies. Before moving to Thailand Michael worked for BEA Systems, Inc. in Hong Kong while managing their developer marketing strategies for Asia Pacific.
Protonic if you don’t like being a whore working at The Big Mango quit.
Nobody is making you fuck old men for money.
The KFC down the street will pay you 200 baht a day for frying chicken.
Don’t be a crybaby you whore.
He’s lying. A girl may ear 25,000, but her base pay is maybe 6-10k. Then they dock them for every little trivial thing and most don’t get anything other than their prostitution wages.
DTR was with Angelwitch. Notorious for fucking over bargirls. Right Dave?
Too bad about you sorry web site, asshole.
Just sayin.
I like to swim in the klongs
Hot thai girls think I’m their gift.
I hate the Mango, Saphan Loy and Bangkok Buddy.
I hate stickman too. Forgot. Sorry.
you “ARE” actually GOAT
Stick it, man.
You are donk.
More hate please.
More More More.
Love the hate. Live it. Love it. Hate it.
What a site it was.
Hahaha Hehehe Hohoho indeed!
ProofWreck
As soon as I saw you I thought *LOSER!*
9-11 *NO BRAINER*
I’m right of course, as usual
Toodles
Saying that,
Every time I look in the mirror I see a sad fat loser with no mates apart from a homo called gully.
So I’m just projecting my sheer patheticness really
I hate Prufrock so much, I dedicate almost every article on my bigdummy site to him.
To be honest I’m jealous. Jealous of someone with so much more intelligence and insight than myself.
If only I could be Prufrock.
Let it be known BigBlackGulliver barely survived his first year
And then looked at the Macro Economics/Micro Economics dual papers in his second year thinking this would help him through his switch from a BSc to a BA
It wasn’t to be!
His simultaneous equations left him bottom of the class – ie F Grade – Fail
And now you know why BigBlackGulliver strikes out in resentment
Well, that’s odd thing to say.
Your hands were shaking and although the evening was breezy you were sweating like a pig when you and I
met on the Landmark Terrace. I had to invite you to sit down and relax as you may remember and to re-assure you that
in spite of possibly looking hostile that I was going to honour the terms of engagement.
We got through several conversational gambits. I noticed that you had to (you just HAD to) trump any conversational topic that came up.
Education (no specifics, I could see by your diction that you were educated but I could also see an incredibly damaged person. That wouldn’t have been your fault either but it had to be incorporated into the mix.
As I have said and I think you’ll agree, I’ve had worse conversations and we chatted about this and that. I do recall, however that you
had to be right about everything. Even if it was an opinion you’s claim to have read some evidentiary thing which I really should read and then I’d see you were right. You claimed to have read all of Giffin’s work . . . . It was there I started to disengage if you will.
You couldn’t have read all that work: you were, after all giving me the old Chertoff-Popular Mechanics “debunking” jive. I didn’t want to detour into a fact (me) over opinion & conjecture (you -well presented, but, still just opinion)
So I left it.
You definitely sought to impress, daffy. Too bad. Because really I am already impressed with people who can handle digital tech (not awed, mind you, just impressed . . .. my kid here impresses me with the tech she can pull off. Your accomplishments and your persistence are somewhat impressive.
Too bad you lack the good grace to afford others the same regard.
To even pretend to go through the motions of politesse.
Look at how you attack people as ill-educated, then impecunious etc. etc. until you run out of stuff and you have to all church-lady with you objections to my elegantly worded suggestions that your presence is olfactorily evident anywhere you comment.
Anyway, perhaps out of a feeling that you just had to finesse the exchange, you told that whopper of a porkie.
Really dafft -hausen ;-) You really must get a grip
Let’s go to www. cameralenses_for_liars.com there Pillsbury and, you know, come up with the lens that could
have taken the picture you said Summers sent to you. A picture taken from the passenger section that Nok Air
plane. In flight.
It was quite a lens wasn’t it? For pocket camera?
Loads of information in that one shot . . . . . .
For the, uh, folks at home, here’s what Keith’s infamous shot included:
a) Keith Summers (in focus?) posing for the famous shot
b) then from the interior of this Nok Air aircraft, and through a 10″ x16″ triple glazed window
that happened to be in the background (like, over Keith’s shoulder or something) daffy says that this
amazing photo included a full shot of the plane’s wing.
(okay? are you following closely?)
c) without saying whether we were dealing with the starboard or port, but now well into his story, daffy maintains that the plane’s
registration number was visible in this shot. That’s right. Through the window we could see this famous number daffy keeps brandishing.
The plane in question was in flight and levelled off. It pretty well had to be for daffy to claim what he claims later. (It get’s better so bear with me
And it was fully visible in this shot. (Unless , you know, from partial visibility and a quick visit to www. airlplane-wing_registration_number_fonts.com daffy was able to sleuth out all the digits by inference.)
At this point in the daffy’s tale, I was into my poker face. (If this was daffy’s story and he was sticking to it, wanted to hear it all
So, according to daffy
d) the various ailerons, rigging hardware, aerials, and other protrusions from the wing’s dorsal surfaces that we customarily think little of
are suddenly desperately germane to taffy’s tale. So please pay attention. To be fair to daffy and to give him the benefits of an initially fair
suspension of incredulity, we have to accept that the aircraft was levelled off and above the clouds. In fact at a minimum, we need these conditions to give daffy’s next statement any traction in the story.
daffy’s analysis
e) there is no disputing that daffy is somewhat of an X-box hero. He can search and track and sleuth with the best of them. (I know because he’s been stalking me and many others for years. That leaves tracks daffy. You might want to look into that. ;-)
Anyway, daffy noted that the protrusions and struts and other hardware on the wing of his plane cast a shadow. And , yes, those of us who’ve gazed out the window on long flights have mused around that very thing, have we not?
It seems that the digital photo of these airplane wing shadows now, (unfortunately for Summers) was in daffy’s hands. Daffy analyzed the shot. Once one knows the megapixel count of the camera used, analysis of digital shots can yield measurements. daffy, applied some basic math skills and came up with these measurements . . . . . . of the shadows . . . . . . cast by the protrusions . . . . . on the dorsal surface (starboard or port is not specified) . . . of the wing . . . . . . inadvertently shot with a pocket camera . . . . . . by a friend , fellow passenger, or airline staff . . . . . over Summers’ shoulder . . . . through a small domestic jet en route to its destination.
“Where was that plane going when the picture was taken?” wondered our daffy.
The answer was to come shortly to our sleuthing redressor of torts.
With a measurement of the shadow and some other consideration of its angularity, daffy was easily able to determine the exact time of day the shot was taken. Now that might also have been determined by an iPhoto analysis . . . . possible daffy? I do not want to smear you with claims you haven’t actually made. Anyway, “by hook or by crook” as they say, daffy found out what time that shot was taken.
I remember that it WAS by the measurement of those shadows and I wondered at the time since we’d already had an interesting exchange on iPhoto analysis and the Fuji color scale regarding a shot on one of his submissions to this site, this got me wondering. But as I said earlier, although this story had had me wondering for some time as daffy told it, I let him roll. I wanted to see him pull it off.
I was maybe even cheering for him so he’d get to the finish line without embarrassing both of us.
So, armed with the time of this shot and the registration number or this plane, daffy had all he needed.
And well, once again, our daffy simply hit the web, didn’t he. (I could see someone trying to build a case for the digital imperative, supremacy even? We’d see.
His mission? To find out . . . . . .”Where was that Nok Air flight going??
Back to work:
Well, daffy just compares the angularity of those infamous shadows with the various flight paths on http://www.popularThaiflight paths.com and compares those with the position of the sun on each path (just like on TV, right?)
and by deduction( yeah, that’d be deduct, right?) he determines that Mr. Summers flight is headed directly to Nakhon Phanom.
So hey Keith, it was daffy, not any of Keith’s other enemies, guys like Wade, Holt, Stick etc but daffy who (if we are to believe what he says in this amazing account) who wants credit the first to uncover “the amazing Galt’s” Nakhon Phanom lair. :-)
What did daffy do with this vital information I enquired dutifully and politely ? (It had been quite story and I was in that strange territory between the awe-strickenness he’s wanted to invoke and the gobsmacked-ness which any sane person would fall into after he’d heard a crock of shit of this caliber.
At this point I’d sat through your awe-inspiring tale and I didn’t give a shit.
Frankly, I was more disappointed than gob-smacked . . . but you know that.
And, we’d passed through a relatively interesting conversational interlude and I saw no reason to rain on the parade of a person who so desperately needed to be respected.
I was raised to be polite.
If you think a little swearing is rude, you need to see more stand-up, more George Carlin, Lenny Bruce (no, not me) and others.
Many others.
Your finger-wagging is silly.
also daff I should mention a few more things.
1) as amusing as they are, I am tired of receiving your emails, you know the ones you send me every day or so so as
to trigger a response from me and thereby BLACKMAILNG me into supplying content for your otherwise yawnfest
of a vanity site.
You wouldn’t post to my email address if you were not sure that I O NOT GO TO YOUR SITE.
So there you are, yet another accusation deflated.
2) Thailand may not have a selection of the sharpest cutlery in the case but I can assure you that the Kingdom’s best scientific minds
at one point were regaled with your story. “IN VITRO” in class, over coffees and on the long drive back from x x x x x x x science park.
To coing a phrase I got in your day-before-yesterday’s email to me : “You sure are entertaining.”
These guys do the kind of metrification you claim to have done with Summers’ famous shadows. They just laugh at your claims.
There were meteorologists among them. A Royal projects gal and an instrument specialist. They laughed to.
The gal (dark-skinned Stanford Ph.D) actually said “Sounds like a movie”
The engineers were more interested in learning how Buildg 7 came down. I am current with these folks. One was a metallurgist
(specializing in titanium alloys)
And then there’s my background in construction. (You never asked. That’s ok) But it’s some demolition, some steel frame, and my earlier
background (as a student) in the mining industry. And I could go on but I am loath to get you into my background. (Sorry, no scale networking addictions here, so that didn’t pan out for you either did it?
3) There was a return visit to Canada. Visits with lode friends are rewarding in so many ways. We agree on lots we disagree on lots but one thing we coud all agree on daff was that your story sounded like the movies.
I said more thn once, well, the guy apparently did work in the movies.
4) Yu might wanna ask yourself how I could have typed all that stuff about your shadow sleuthing there and then posed as RDD or anyone else. Well the fact is that I didn’t. I can always count on somebody (even if like rondo he hates my 9/11 info) to take a poke at you.
Finally daffy if we are to believe that you are finally turning your back on this site we’d have to believe that you never lie.
We’d have to believe that you were never in the slightest suspicious of the official gov’t 9/11 conspiracy theory involving
19 Arab patsies. We’d have to believe that. Well I can produce your post where you say that you do say you suspect a foul.
There are numerous sleazers and misdirects as well. . . . . . all authored by you.
We are, nonetheless to believe you when you say you haven’t posted here in (what was it?) five months?
Crap
You get attention here.
You get none (well gully is there with his fine diction and his fine mind) and you crave engagement with the very people
you shit on.
So keep coming.
It’s not my site but I confess I do enjoy kicking your flabby ass.
They very very best time is just after you’ve scored what you actually believe is one of your
coups. That’s when you twist, cotort and waterboard the truth or the accounts I have posted into such a
farrago of nonsense a Stickman “two-week Trevor ” poster would blush.
And then you do your mission accomplished George Bush thing and declare “victory.”
There is no victory for 9/11 denial daffy, only self delusion and cowardice of knowing you are contributing to the
government’s poisonous myth-making.
O-o-o-o-o-ps There’s my Soap.
Fuck thyself, iduck.
“If the truth is that ugly — which it is — then we do have to be careful about the way that we tell the truth. But to somehow say that telling the truth should be avoided because people may respond badly to the truth seems bizarre to me.” –Chuck Skoro, Deacon, St. Paul’s Catholic Church
And, daffy?
The back or the belly. Like a fish ;-? Don’t bother leaping to your bibliography pf search engines. You got that wrong.
Here’s yet another detail that people like you who fake being so familiar with
aircraft ought to know before they start shooting their mouths off . (gawd you’re one obnoxious prick)
“Dorsal” and” ventral” do not refer to sides of an aircraft as you seem to think. These two terms are sometimes used to refer
to the topside and the underside of an aircraft.
The “sides” as you referred to them are designated by the old “starboard” and “port” nautical significance.
So it’ll be interesting to see which side of the aircraft Summers was assigned when you so cunningly reared flight path, Nok plane numbers, thee time of day ned Summers on the passenger list.
(I’m assuming you’ll be anxious to prove me “a liar” once again by posting this letter.
So post it. Or suck up to Keith and maybe get him to post you one.
It’ll finesse your bullshit story.
Maybe throw in a a few chicken entrails while we’re at it.
Or duck ;-)
“Fore” and ”aft” as you might remember because they are used to designate toilet areas are also still in use.
Not ass end, unless you are seeking to imitate the potty-mouth style you so frequently decry.
And one more item before I sit back to await your customary silence in which you indulge yourself when
it’s best just to” stop digging” . . . . . or the next episode in your “long good-bye” . . . . . .(okay, that thing?)
(Or your l’ll buddy there , gully, senses the dramatic plunge in your spirits and from his basement apartment in the outskirts of Burbank, treats us to more of his customary pedophiliac fantasies . . . . . . . how dare you go on about my colourful language you fucking flabby-arsed cyber-ponce
All things considered?
You kind of come off like the guy who shows up at the pier in brogues and ankle socks to go sailing.
Now combine that with your gully-bully-buddy’s arithmetic problems (remember?) and you come off like
couple of real goofs.
Now you are going to post me yet another insulting email
You’ll also post this email on your daffy site
You actually think you can blackmail me into posting it here so you can “prove” to everyone that it is “I” who post under your name.
That’s not exactly working’ for you now is it ;-?
Word Count..
Prufrock : 1 billion 234 million, 116 thousand , and 1
Everybody Else : 113 Million, 987 thousand, and 3
yea Somchai
goes to prove that idiots use more words to say less. they just don’t know any other way.
Could somebody stop that Freeloading Bum Bangkok Buddy coming here for his “free” 7:30 buffet dinner. These meals are for the purpose of helping the downtrodden, forgotten, poor, handicapped, sick, elderly members of socirty who cannot fend for themselves.
thanks somchai
takes a lot of history to revise a liar’s tale
With any luck, this board has seen the last of the lying bastard
@TUHI – nice leap of logic ;-)
impressive for a fat man who doesn’t get much exercise :-)
Bub-bye
Nobody’s listening to you Prufrock.
You’re irrelevant.
Dumbass
Prufrock the fool says:
April 29, 2011 at 10:52 pm
“takes a lot of history to revise a liar’s tale”
Yes, you have proven over and over again it does. After looking at your comments and the comments and posts by Daffy on the BigDummyKenny – you know, that vanity site you never visit – I see by the timestamps you have indeed done your best to revise history; fabricating your own lies to move public opinion with your mission of misinformation. You’ve expended all this energy on your obsessive and hatred driven efforts and in the end you’ve only proven beyond any doubt you have no credibility. To go directly to the point: you are an delusional, ignorant dumb fuck. Can you just shut the fuck up about Daffy or has that voice in your head driven you to insanity?
BigBlackGulliver, Daffy and others don’t need to say anything to make you out to be a fool as you are quite skilled at doing that yourself. The Realdaffyduck, Bigblackgulliver and other impostors (possibly your attempt to get attention but more likely others only wanting to “wind you up”) are indeed achieving their goal. Before you respond with your, “thank you Daffy” or who ever else you decide to claim I am, let me make it clear I am none of those people you regularly abuse (or claim regularly post). I’m just a reader who’s tired of your worthless comments and attitude and quite sure I’m not the only reader who feels this way.
This blog would have half a chance of being marginally interesting if not for your repeated rants and fucking (how do you like to say it?) stoopid commentary. Your stupidity is exceeded only by your own overinflated ego and delusional opinion of self worth. As you’ve said, IT’S ALL FUCKING UP THERE., re: “Why does the obvious drek you see posted above get through but my insightful comments seem to get held up.”
You are not only irrelevant, but a delusional fucking bore as well.
^ you are a big stinking turd.
fuck you and your pussy hole antics.
fuck your mum too.
You are a virus with shoes.
Once again – fuck your mum – it’s a disgrace she didn’t abort you – you sorry sorry ass exscuse for a human.
@ The Providence
RealDaffyDuck isn’t the only one people are tired of seeing here. Kudos to you for telling it like it is.
Can everyone please limit your comments to 25 words or less? I get a headache reading the longer posts.
Providence, I find Prufrocks posts interesting. Some things I agree with, some I don’t but thats what a good blog is all about. If I want to bitch about something I can – can you do that on Stickman?
There’s no one in Bangkok that can read DaffyDuck better than Prufrock. If his posts about Daffy were untrue we’d say so. The fact is what he writes about Daffy is true, so I for one find them interesting and amusing. Prufrock has managed to keep Daffy locked away on his Dummy site for months now and I appreciate that because now Daffy isn’t trolling the other blogs and forums to everybodies delight
Stick it where the sun dont shine Cheesecake
Trolling helps me get through my Daddy issues
If only you knew the power of the Goat
geopolitical guru Prufrock says:April 29, 2011 at 10:52 pm“takes a lot of history to revise a liar’s tale”
comments and attitude and quite sure I’m not the only reader who feels this way
I see more than one person’s buttons really got pushed by that one 
. . . . . Are you so illiterate (and willing to admit that you are) that you would not suss out a little of that irony??? . . . I suspect so.) Since you labor under the burden of humourless intellectual inflexibility you are the bane of educated men of all stripes. But I understand that’s a very popular character trait with you TV generation people. This was in jest you pitiful bone-head.
Once again; Your opinions and the opinions of your friends amount to abusive rants. If I did not know the difference between fact and barstool opinion I might be impressed.
Here’s a fact: The guy who calls himself daffy duck sat across from me and began this fucked up porkie. Halfway through he quarter-turned and hunched his shoulders . . . sign of someone who knows he’s in trouble. . . . . and then we finished what at the time appeared to be his harmless internet-is-gawd bullshit tale. To have challenged him there would have been rude.
While I may occasionally use colourful language I am never rude.
You have not, even in this post posited one fact.
Do you even KNOW what a fact is??
In other words, they are pure opinionated F-O-A-M: Fomentations of an Oprah Audience Mama
This, apparently is what passes for a well-laid position in the venues where you find companionship.
Enjoy your stupid fucking life. God knows you will have earned every miserable minute of it.
My comments have more to do with geo-politics, banking, the New World Order and picking off board-certified bores like daffy and non-starters like you. And it this latter activity (from the jejune ferocity of your riposte) to have gotten the reaction I see here, I appear to do rather well.
So your comments about my ego are misplaced. . . .or misdirected.
and Timestamps??? . . . really . . . . . Spare me, you fucking grasping-at-straws, snot-nosed, shot-in-the-dark imbecile.
Look daffy-fan. That shaking sweating coward told me that childish porkie in our face to face encounter because in the end he could see he’d come off badly. poor fella actually actually does crave to be perceived with the fear and the gravitas he reaches for in his pompous, know-it-all, martinet, church-lady internet persona.
He really does believe it.
Our “face-to-face” wound down with me glancing repeatedly at my watch and politely declining his frequent and obvious attempts to “get me down to the Mango” that night he came up with his famous “Look Ma, when I look through this camera from the middle of the aisle, and through the 12X16 triple glazed window I can not only see my subject but I can see the registration numbers on the entire airplane wing” story. Why? Because like you he’s weak, shaky and as a man quite a bit more than “underdone” in the self-confidence department. He, like you is hugely needy. (Oh come on snake-brain, you didn’t write this for yourself now did you ;-?
>>BigBlackGulliver, Daffy and others don’t need to say anything to make you out to be a fool as you are quite skilled at doing that yourself<<. (OPINION . . . . just your OPINION whenever you encounter material beyond your comprehension, right? . . . . So, I guess you idiots will never cease to be robbed blind and hoodwinked until you can learn the difference between FACT and OPINION . . . you obviously never have, you should, . . . it’s really *the key* to so much ;-) Apparently, you are accustomed to having your stoopid ideas accepted as fact?? Well indulgent teachers and parents and your fellow liquor stains are not doing you any favours there.
SELF-SERVING LIE (comin’ right up, you want fries with that ;-?) >>>>Before you respond with your, “thank you Daffy” or who ever else you decide to claim I am, let me make it clear I am none of those people you regularly abuse (or claim regularly post).(OR AGINST WHOM I MORE OFTEN THAN NOT merely DEFEND MY INFORMATION) I’m just a reader who’s tired of your worthless (9/11, bank-crime, endless war commentary is worthless
<<< THAT WAS A SELF-SERVING LIE (Probably not you skinny-assed rat-faced little gossip-mongering twerp ;-)
Your stupidity is exceeded only by your own overinflated ego (“ego”? you don’t even know what that term means or how to use it but “you are placing it all on red” , aren’t you hoping that nobody else knows either . . . . . . in your crowd. Well, I am supremely confident that no one else in your crowd does either so you’re right there. at least.) and delusional opinion of self-worth. (I am a political activist, I will take on all comers, I’m just a man who stands for something he knows is important, I know myself. I don’t need to kiss any asses, . . . . . . u-u-m and a-a-h what about YOU????
What the fuck do *you* stand for? (The asses *you* kiss are just *so* cool, chai mai)
And as far as my “delusional opinion of self-worth” is worth, let’s start with the financial stuff . . .
If this were a face to face we’d just do a total and the loser’ll cut the winner a check for the difference. As it is I don’t know who you are. But you know who I am, don’t you.
As you’ve said, IT’S ALL FUCKING UP THERE., re: “Why does the obvious drek you see posted above get through but my insightful comments seem to get held up.” (Well, well
>>You are not only irrelevant,<<< our OPINION and, um, oh yeah you *already* said that. It was opinion then and it remains OPINION in its repetition. Your repetition of it adds nothing to its veracity.) So as you are starting to run out of material and you are having to repeat yourself I assumed we were near the end of your “venting”
I have *never* claimed to be “relevant . . I’m still at pains to understand how this can apply because I have never claimed to be Owen Wilson or Seamus O’Grady or Charlie Sheen either but no one accuses me of claiming to be them. . . . (although Sheen’s somewhat of a household god to me . . . And? . . BTW?? >> Charlie’s winning Winning WINNING >> :-) and you are losing, Losing, LOSING
However: the topics I do dwell on should be OVERWHELMINGLY RELEVANT to even repetitious, opinionated *jack-assed* fucks like yourself. ( I see myself as the voice in your mental wilderness, if you will. Because, sooner or later, you will blink your eyes as you come out of this self-imposed epistemological coma of yours and mumble to yourself :
hey beavis, d-u-u-h-u-h hehehe huhuhuh that Prufrock fucker was right.
But hey, you know, seriously asshole?? I think it’s probably the big words that’re gittin’ to ya.
And you’re just too weak to get your head around the actual concepts and ideas and the information before you.
Try that: Is that working for you?
Look you sneaky-assed, bar rag, my interests in geopolitics, international banking, global corporatism, the media, history, science, human nature, the arts, clean professional pussy, psychology, good writing, good music and defending myself against the morons who pop up like the pimples and blackheads that consigned you to so miserable an adolescence is well-known.
Oh, sorry, did I mention clean professional pussy??
Well that’s about me.
Provenance indeed . . . . . hehehehehehehohohohoho bwah hahahahaha heeheeheee
Once again Prufrock does a re-hash of the same shit. Like a cow regurgitating cud he thinks it’s better the 2nd, 3rd…time around.
How about some new material Rerun? If you have all the interests you claim then how about displaying some of that knowledge? You can’t because you’re a liar. Correction, a lying a dumbass. He baited you and you fell for it hook line and sinker. I gotta laugh because whats been said is true: the more you write the less ya say. Sn next time write a 5000 word essay. Hahahaha Hehehehe Hohohohoho indeed there…
Fukkin stoopid irrelevant nonce.
Hi (giggle) Black Ass
A-a-a-a-aa-h yes. khun “Black Ass”, the truth really hurts, don’t it, body-bag man?
I can understand why you’re rushing to lick daffy’s wounds. (He took a real fucking pounding.
And he’s gonna need all the help he can get to lie his way out of it. . . . . . hehehehehhohohohohohhoohoohoohoo (snort)
As you have so graciously noted in previous correspondance, I did spell the whole shameful episode out twice.
Twice . . . . . . . two fucking times Blackie.
But you are so thick you still don’t get it ? (A bit more on that later)
I suppose when you’re caught in a bare-faced lie as daffy was, the best defence is an indignant offence.
Huffing and puffing is okay for daffy. He does that all over the local web. (Or used to)
daffy-style huffing and puffing just looks a trifle silly on you and this your latest persona.
So what’s this latest shite??? Oh yeah . . . . . ole flabby-ass daphne is supposed to have”bated me”, that it?
Is that the peg he’s currently hanging his dunce cap on???? No shit, though, really?
He’s asking you to believe that??? (Always knew the big doofus had absolutely no noblesse oblige sensitivities . . . he’s
an embarrassment to Blackie his humble footman. (Search engines are our friends, Black Asp . . . . . o-o-o-h a frisson of fear
doth course along my duelling scar at the very mention of (gasp) the Ba-lack Arsp.
Bated me, did he? . (And not b-a-i-t that’s for fishing, it’s b-a-t-e.
That is just just so weak. Even for him. D’ya think if we let him ruminate a little more on that he could come up with something a little more convincing?? Like a hole in the plane with a Plexiglass patch . . . . . . some shit like that??
I was *there* you silly tool. (And I’m fully aware that your only recourse as usual, is to call my honesty into question . .
the famous smear, but I was there,) Fuck man if I was taking (any of this) this seriously (in any way at all) I’d be insulted . . . . .
but it’s just you after all. Geez, gimme a break, terrace waiter was even snickering.
Jeeeesus Black-meister . . . . . . even after two (okay (admittedly tediously) detailed and unedited ) presentations you
still manage to miss the fucking point . . . . .
The boring shaking sweating quivering cunt was trying to impress me.
To that end, he was bullshitting me. capice
Just bullshit BlackAss. A plain and simple bullshit tale in which he sought to impress me with his
internet superpowers.
And I caught him. I was graceful enough to “leave it there” ’till now but he pushed the busted flush (that stoopid registration thing)
It was only after his ceaseless taunts with those silly irrelevant wing numbers (starboard?? port?? mmmwaaahahahaha
(smirk . . . . Sorry moron but I’m rather close to capturing the iduck’s illusive literary aura, you must humor mee e e hee hee heee)
No that was just a cough, I have this flu thing that’s going around.
Now, where was I ???
Oh yeah:
Fucking daffy, (really, Black Ass, how could you people have been taken in by such a bumbling goof?)
First off (and I know you know this so I won’t needle you with it) ready? . . . . . . . . . cows are female ;-)
Yep: They’re the ones with the milk bags and the teats. Those ones.
(Yeah you were just bating me right?)
I am most demonstrably not a liar but if the above is any indication of the caliber of knowledge you
wish to impart I suggest you save it for some of these other fine blogs tat are popping up all over the fucking place.
Or keep it to yourself.
BTW, I do not get the syllogistic flow between one’s being a liar and an ability to impart knowledge. (It is what we call a non sequitur)
It’s a crime against logic but. . . . . you seem to work it very well every time I bust one of you jack-asses and he goes running to another one of you jack-asses with a big lip on and tears in his bloodshot eyes.
So what have we learned here that we didn’t already know?
Well, it seems you need more than two presentations of relevant material before you begin to “get it”. (Feel free to share :-)
and you are (it seems here daffy’s factotum. (it’s not dirty . . . . search it, it’ll be fun
oh yes. It’s “bating” as in to bate or tease. daffy was just kidding when he got into that embarrassing porkie.
Sh-u-u-u-u-re he was.
Ok what else? Oh yeah, the cows are the ones with the tits. They chew their cud and bulls and steers possibly do as well
(they’re all “ruminants” ) . . . . . but you said “he” and well that means BULL . . . . . . . as in daffy’s airplane-wing story?
“Somebody” over there’s a great big big cry-baby, right?
Oh yeah, and if I can’t say what I want on a blog I do not contribute.
Period
That’s it.
Oh, and ? 1+1=2 (oops, Sorry, sil-ly me ;-) that was your last lesson, wasn’t it.
And we learned what non-sequitur was. (remember . . Google is our little friend)
(sigh) I’m sure you’ll agree; a blog is nothing if it isn’t about learning.
And Black Ass? you’ve learned a lot today and you’re ready for a little nap I’ll bet .
See you much fun we’re having ? (And , hey, we’re not even touching
Oh, and Black Asp?
It’s just “plane” naughty to pose death threats.
You’e the dumb-ass (see ample proof above)
And since we were bating one another I thought I’d do a “pun”
Once again, dumb-ass Google IS our friend.
Just ask daffy. (I’m saving that one for another day ;-)
Mr Cheesecake
What was I discussing in my comment? I’m not talking about all of Prufrocks comments. No. I’m talking about his stupid rants that he repeats…and repeats…and repeats. Do you find reading the same material over and over interesting? Especially about Daffy? I do not. I can say with confidence that most people do not find reading the same hash over and over interesting, unless they have the memory of a garden vegetable. Does that benefit this website? No (read my response below to Black Asp for the why this probably the case).
Further, Stickman has nothing to do with it. You assume that I read Stickman. Maybe I do, maybe I don’t care one bit about stickman. There are dozens of other blogs where I can post comments; why not mention those? More importantly, why does it matter? I’ve said nothing to imply comments should be turned off here. You seem to assume that I disagree with everything Prufruck says and that is not true either. Too many assumptions Mr.
Are you sure you want to stick with your “the fact is that what he writes about Daffy is true” claim? Excuse me, but just how stupid are you? Prufrock has been caught in multiple lies here and just glosses over them. Daffy’s original e-mail was posted up on his BDK site before Prufrock’s edited version was posted here. That’s revisionist history and you are someone in denial. Showing your bias in favor of Prufrock is understandable, but on this point you make yourself out to be irrational. The history of the site is if it paints Daffy in a poor light then people will go along with it, true or not.
I want to ask you why is it that you can see none of the posts during the past few months have been from Daffy (which I think that with one or two exceptions I agree) but Prufrock can not see it? Why does Prufrock insist on respond to the impostors? Further, if you can see it and I can see it, why does Kenny allow it and not attach the “Fake” moniker to the name?
I’m afraid you’ve decided to read much more into my comment than what was actually said. Why? I implied nothing. Looking at Prufrock’s comments it seems to be a malaise which affects those who regularly comment on this site. Intelligent men ask questions to verify their assumptions. Stupid men do not. Look at Prufrock’s comment and all the assumptions which are made in them. Stupidity reigns in many of his attack responses.
Let’s take the following portion of his latest semiconscious prose as an example:
“Here’s a fact: The guy who calls himself daffy duck sat across from me and began this fucked up porkie. Halfway through he quarter-turned and hunched his shoulders . . . sign of someone who knows he’s in trouble. . . . . and then we finished what at the time appeared to be his harmless internet-is-gawd bullshit tale. To have challenged him there would have been rude.”
Prufrock likes to rail on people when they interject their opinion but then has no problem doing the same. If you strip out his ignorant bias and OPINION, this is the only factual part of his comment (To which I still would not take his word on. If it was something important, I would want it verified by a third party:)
“The guy who calls himself daffy duck sat across from me and began his monologue. Halfway through he quarter-turned and hunched his shoulders. Then we finished.”
Maybe Daffy’s back was bothering him. Did Prufrock ask? No. Has Daffy’s discussion with Prufrock harmed him? No. Despite Prufrock’s assertion that “To have challenged him there would have been rude.”, it is nothing more than a cowards way out of avoiding discussing something he’s too afraid to acknowledged he didn’t understand. To challenge Daffy on the weaknesses of his argument or those points he didn’t understand would have fostered a more revealing discussion and either yielded out the weaknesses or allowed Prufrock to understand the point. He didn’t need to agree with it, but he would have better understood what Daffy was talking about. Instead, the “intelligent” Prufrock walked away asking himsel “WTF was that guy going on about.” and continues to hammer away on it to this day..over…and over…and over.
It’s old. It’s boring and it’s been discussed. Move on already.
Black Asp
No, I was not “baiting” Prufrock. He is no doubt hurting BBK’s readership just as much as Daffy is hurting his readership on his BDK site. I can back that up as far as BDK is concerned. Look at the statistics on the link at the BDK site when you click on the “Unique Visitors” image with the list of the top country visitors. The trend in visitors is down in the past week. What has Daffy been doing over the past 10 days or so? Posting rant after rant on Prufrock and Kenny. Most people don’t want to read that shit and don’t care. Do you? Maybe what I don’t get is Kenny’s intention for his site. Maybe he intends it to be the Hollywood Rumor Mill Rag of the Thaliand blogging space.
You lost Prufrock.
Live and Learn. You’re irrelevant.
Fukkin stoopid nonce.
@7/11 Dumpster-Tipster
Still not getting this are you ;-)
(Well you’ve bought into all the other stuff that’s come bon the pastry cart
so nobody will be too surprised.)
Prufrock lost ? uh-huh, sure he did ;-)
(Hear that squishy sound? Your shoes are filled with piss and blood ;-)
And your wallet is filled with those incredible shrinking dollars.
And the land of free speech has been “slo-coup-ed “by NEOCONS and Goldman Sacks
And you believe everything is still hunky dory.
Idiot.
And your President has just tried to calm everybody down by announcing that
Osama bin Ladin, the guy who the FBI never filed 9/11 charges against, the guy CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc etc,
said had been killed a few days ago by an “American asset” in some kind of strike force raid.
The President also announced that he’d just given approval for that raid.
Teleprompter screw-up ;-? . . . . . sh-u-u-u-u-re and if that’ll get you to sleep, why not?
I’ve lost?? Really ??
Check my dollar, check silver, check Downtown Canada Real Estate and while you’re at it
check the level in your smiley-face jug of grape Kool-Aid . . . . . . You and your buddies are about due for a re-fill.
BTW, today’d be a great day for that Kool-Aid refill, wouldn’t it ?
Osama dead and everything. Just like all the Presidents said. And all the delta force guys that killed him eight or nine years ago said in their books on Tora Bora and Pakistan. But you go ahead, suck back all that info from a one-term clown like Obama and his Republikrat cohorts.
The MainStream Media is fairly carpeted with the glorious news that (breathless silence) ”It’s over”.
Just reach that jug into their “Stream” and fill it up. You’ll just have to re-do that TM smiley-face. :-)
>>You lost Prufrock<< ?????
Coming from someone like you who’s been so massively losing and for so long that, to him, giving up feels like winning
that’s a remark I’ll have to ponder in contrast to the rising tide of current realities.
Now, tell me 7/11 Dumpster-Tipster, just who’s the fuckin’ stoopid nonce.
u-u-m BTW what’s a “nonce”, I know it’s a really bad British thing, it sounds good and I often use it myself but what exactly is it.?
Some kind of, um, chip butty variation. Mashed potato delight? Fried bread?
Anyway, I’ll have fries with mine.
Hi The Providence.
If daffy appears to be painted in a poor light as you have so metaphorically mixed for us then he’s done it all himself.
To respond to your accusations of my posting the same thing “over and over” I simply remind you that I will defend myself against
all repeated insults, smears and accusations. It matters little to me whether they are the mantra of some sick daffy-like troll or they appear for the first time. The memory hole is a funny thing as you well know. I will not allow myself to be discredited by lying dissembling misdirecting sickos like this X-Box dweeb daffy.
You posit all kinds of stuff without proof or evidence. My lies? Just what have I lied about?
However, I am delighted to learn that you for one are supporting the fanciful
Nobody, even daffy, should be made stand that close to the edge on his own.
Those cheap shoes will lose their grip every time.
Anyway
I appreciate your limp-wristed support Providence but I fear it was expressed only to enhance your undeserved status as a man of fair moment.
So, if you please, noes you have more sweetly supportive remarks: enough jibber-jabber from you Prof. Prov.
daffy can settle all this by posting that infamous shot can’t he ;-?
(If he can dredge up chapter and verse from long defunct blogs of yore and 1 terra-byte hard drives are
available for $250 such an important, momentous document will be at daffy’s the internet wizard’s fingertips.
Post it daffy.
(You’re a lying cunt . . . . and you know it.)
(You’re a COWARD . . . . and you know it.)
(You’re beginning to realize that you’re a classic internet stalker . . . . and you know it.)
You’ve phished for my personal details. You’ve fine-tooth-combed the social networking sites for my personal details. (failed but noted)
You’ve repeatedly tried to bate me into threatening you physically. You have tried to smear me. You have mocked my deep concerns and my comments regarding extremely important aspects of current geo-political events.
You’ve lied to my face. During that lie you threatened to bolt out of there if I didn’t let you spew your bullshit. You’ve MSM’d me. You’ve emailed me. You’ve harassed me.
These are all facts. And you know it.
Post that critical photo from Keith Summers and everyone including me will be delighted.
I’m always ready to admit a mistaken impression I’ve taken in the absence of inconclusive proof.
So prove me wrong.
To be specific: Post the picture Summers sent you of him on that plane. . . . . . the picture which includes Summers (as the meme of interest, the plane-wing and those aileron, strut and hoist-hook shadows and most importantly those numbers on the wing.
Post that photo.
Toodles
The only pics I want to see are of the dead Bib Laden.
Just you wait, my movie will be out soon. Still waiting for your call Ridley.
yep, that prufrock is a lying jabbering idiot. the world needs idiots like him though. useful and manipulated idiots.
he is irrelevant.
It’s pretty clear at this point folks.
and to daffy the flabby-ass troll.
daffy, the lying bullshitter X-box hero prick buried Summers’ famous airplane pic at sea.
Or else he’d produce it.
Fuck daffy, photoshop one. even THAT’S impossible.
That’s it. Make one up. Fuck man everybody else seems to be doing it;
You’d be incredibly popular.
And *you* . . . . . up there, ”moronic timestamp-face on May 3 2011 @ approx 8:06 am”
Fuck man if you swallow everything as easily as you swallow those US gov’t jive
and bullshit magic photos? . . . . . You are indeed making yourself extre-e-e-e-e-emely useful
to a demonic consensus (Google is your little friend
I guess you were one of “dancing for semiotics” morons, all costumed and cunningly posed in the street yesterday. Mom make that for ya, time-stamp ;-?
But hey, suck up what the MSM wants you to believe.
There is obviously no limit to what you’ll accept from your masters.
Do realize that when silver broke 50$ there was not one fucking whisper of it on MSM ??
That doesn’t mean anything to you, right?? . . .Beavis? . . . . . . . (uh, good : -)
(burial at sea ??? like that 8 year-old freezer-burnt corpse was Sinbad the fucking sailor??)
You’ve been losing for so fucking long, that giving up (if you felt it at all) probably felt like victory.
I’m talking about mass stupidity and the madness of moronic brain-dead media-addled mobs.
I can’t begin to tell you what a “relevant example” you are of this behaviour.
That podt of yours up there can’t have been a serious post, can it time-stamp?
Really?
Okay, I thought not.
@Numpty (Prufrock) The only thing “clear”, and crystal “clear” at that, is you have an unhealthy obsession concerning the daffster.
Do you need the attention that badly?
Rhetorical Question
Hi Rhetorical
I see.
Since he has no photo and there never has been such a photo, and geo-politically
speaking we are currently very much into “showing photos” and I make an offhand to that effect,
I am somehow obsessed? . . . . . with what has to be a thoroughly insane, abusive, megalomaniacal
correspondant?
Is that really your point?
Is your copy/paste re-hash one of this goof’s prize “I know-you-are-but-what-am-I?” rhetoricals, really the best you can come up with?
Are you suggesting that my “last laugh” on this idiot is something of an obsession?
I have this clown dead to issues but somehow you choose to characterize me as
an obsessive. Typical gambit of one who’s utterly played out.
Look, Rhetorical, I am not the guy who’s set up additional websites and devoted hours and hours to stalking, phishing and
using every mendacious ploy he could think of to attack a man he’d never met who’d merely
made some political comments on a website. He started this scrap.
Hit the boards and you’ll see that currently, this menace is re-configuring himself as a legal expert.
His area? Well it’s a farrago of retro-active legislation and the usual X-box artifaction.
Apparently, the fool is offering to team up with anyone else he can find who doesn’t understand that retro-active
legislation is anathema to US law. This isn’t stopping our newly hatched legal merganser. The quack plans
to use this non-existent retro-active legislation to target anyone who’s kicked his ass or any other asses he may currently
or in future wish to kiss. He’s also hazily invested in libellous attacks on anyone he feels deserves them.
This is how daffy “friends.”
I chose to respond directly to his sick attacks. Nearly two years ago he began to
direct his venomous spew at me. I endured months of stalking, lies, taunts and smears
from this misdirections, and ridicule from this internet bully.
The prick’s crowning glory was some wholly irrelevant reference to some airplane site
he’d sourced and used to prolong his vicious personal attacks on my credibility.
Since he had presented strongly as a consummate liar I needed to pull him into confirming that this conversation
had actually taken place. With his stupid wing-registration “bust” he conformed it in spades.
I warned him that I’d hammer him with the full account if he didn’t stop.
His response was more abuse. My response was to “call”.
He didn’t like what happened when I pounded him with demands for that IMPOSSIBLY “inclusive” (even to photoshop) shot.
Like all bullies, on the internet or in social situations this guy really doesn’t like it when he gets pounded.
Now he’s snivelling and/or he’s got people coming here and snivelling for him.
And, you’re one of them, Rhet.
Poor daffy.
He just smeared the wrong guy. It happens.
Now I just wish he’d waddle along back to his Dummy website hidey-hole and resume talking to himself.
I couldn’t care less what he does alone, in the privacy of his own room.
Prufy, I don’t think you were supposed to actually answer that question….
@Keith “JoJo” Summers
I didn’t.
Keith, first you single-handedly usher us into the 22 Century or some shit like that
and now you , as you might well have determined from actually reading my response,
cannot see that Rhetorical’s question remains unanswered.
I never addressed Rhetoricial’s question.
We got a guy who thinks 1+1= 3, another guy who figures it’s ok to
refer to cows as “he”, and you after ushering us into the 22nd Century
from some shit-hole in Vietnam, declaring that I wasn’t asked to answer
a question that I didn’t answer.
I’m just here to defend myself against the painfully stupid mischaracterizations
of such people.
There are worse ways to spend a few minutes, as you know.
keep killin’ ‘em mate
“In a statement on Tuesday, the Pakistani Foreign Ministry said the “intelligence flow indicating some foreigners in the surroundings of Abbottabad, continued till mid-April 2011.””
Not talkin bout me folks..
my name is clarence brown
Will do Alan. Just keepin’ it real.
Official White House memorial service for the brand that served them so well.
“The Osama Boogy Brand”
This type of bogey-branding has been around since the Vatican branded the “Cathars” and the Bogomils”
and used their ooga-booga fear-mongering to get hundreds of Europe’s incredibly divers sects to “unite”
under Catholicism.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Myth-making is the back-up game. Myth breaking will keep you sane.
Check this site out and scroll down through the links.
How could we have had Obama? Hillary and the rest of them posing for that Photo op in the situation room
as they claim to be watching a live action feed of the Osama elimination/?
The CIA has just declared that there is no live feed.
Nobody really needs to get the Obama/Osama story straight’
60% of Amerikans are just too thick to question anything the government is trying to make them believe.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/
The Obama/Osama ooggy-boogy two-step
“Got a great beat but it’s really hard to dance to it.”
@ Rhetorical Question.
I was talking to Prufrock you goat.
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahaha
alan’s been drinking some of the kool-aid himself. i can just see the big sockpuppet party prufie’s thrown for himself.
a toast to the puppet master
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hahahahhhhaahaahhahhahahahhaa
No body sucks cock like me n daffers!!!!
hahahahaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahaha
al toast the puppet master!!!!
lolllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I appreciate the support. I need it.
Well, well well
I see that quite a few of you idiots have mastered the art of the self-administered blow-job.
It’s been observed among young seminarians that men and boys who have managed to accomplish this incredible feat of dexterity
present in three distinct ways:
a) limited capacity to absorb additional information vital to their survival,
b) intellectual sclerosis (otherwise known as brain-smegma) , rigidity of behaviour and inflexibility
of intellect
c) adoption cliche speech patterns: For example, ”Yeah, Sure. I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I” or
“Yeah. That’s what you say. You’re-as-mental-as-anything.” and perennial fave
with the truly committed, ”You-should-balance-your-meds” (the favored desperate
pronouncement to conclude yet another wandering, disjointed logic-crime of a
brain-fart they felt the world could not possibly do without. The pronouncement is often accompanied by
a falsely solicitous concern for the mental health of the person they see as their antagonist.)
In addition, due to the fact that their new obsession takes pretty well all their physical and creative energies, these lost souls’
entire conversation degenerates inevitably into a tedious, plagiaristic, “cut and paste” paradigm. They soon feel permission to steal
and appropriate the innovative, ground-breaking observations and pronouncements of commentators whom they feel they can safely attack
and corrupt them with lazy thinking, lax principles and logical non sequiturs.
This behaviour Sadly, it is clear to everyone else, they have accomplished a feat which they hold to be the pinnacle of human intellectual development.
As a result, for the remainder of their lives, most of them rarely emerge from “the sublime position” .
Many of them waddle off to create their own websites and to foster a sort of “Second Life” world of
fake money, fake friends and fake principles.
Talking to themselves.
Alerting their close local friends of their imminent visits.
A shot at “player” status in a forum. (A little like depicting oneself as the coolest grocery shopper at Costco)
And ultimately, in order to sustain any kind of traffic count whatsoever, a synopsis (albeit grudging) of meaningful content from other websites
In balance, this is actually a good thing. A win-win.
It’s good for them and it’s good for the rest of us who appreciate the free speech concept.
Chirrrrrrppppppp Chiiiirrrrrrrrrppppppp
About killing OBL, and why he wasn’t caught alive — a lot of shooting was most likely going on (Duh!), and anyone not immediately surrendering in this situation is to be considered “resisting arrest” and is to be assumed to be “not friendly”. This isn’t the kind of situation where you have much option to evaluate, particularly when you see Osama’s face, and you have to assume he will be armed. Either way, I am not surprised if the mission specified “extreme prejudice”, and for good reason
The burial at sea and the eventual burning down of the compound, I can totally understand – while more intelligence could have been gathered from raiding it further for information, the benefit to eliminating any sort of shrine or creating a martyr out of his body, makes sense. I have no doubt that the compound will be flattened and destroyed before long
The speed with which the body was disposed of made even more sense, as that was to avoid any foreign government making a claim to “one of their citizen” and getting the case embroiled in diplomacy, and potentially having to give back the body – and it would be enshrined. Sure, it was “in keeping with Islamic tradition”, which just so happens to be damn convenient for as well
This way, disposing of the body was in keeping with the mission, it won’t be found, and Bin Laden is denied any notoriety. I feel that part was surprisingly smartly decided upon, and well executed
After all, aren’t holy men of Islam supposed to be buried in unmarked graves? No better ‘unmarked grave’ than the sea
(grin)
It may not fit your stricter definitions of running a brothel, maybe call it a bawdy house.
However, the Mango owners are certainly guilty of living off the avails of prostitution, a crime in most western countries, the USAm and also Thailand.
Just because authorities may for whatever reasons turn a blind eye to it does not make it legal, even an acceptable business practice for a western expat, or morally correct.
I was in both of their bars and know this for a fact. They may have toned it down in the new Mango, but for a long time it was a major part of the business plan.
You just couldn’t resist commenting could you Harald?
You Austrian DickWad
It’s nice that this subject can be discussed here. I’m surprised that the Mango guys have not yet commented on this on their site.
I would be surprised if the total barfines at the Big Mango equaled a typical night out when I would stop in after work, have something to eat, and stay there through closing time chatting with some of the regulars.
Very few of the girls got barfined out of there. Those that did get barfined were barfined infrequently. It’s hardly a business built on a foundation of offering prostitution. Do some of the girls go with guys? Sure. Is the business based on that model? Hardly.
So how much of the nightly gross would barfines have to be to classify The Big Mango as a brothel?
By the way folks,
my blog is really good , and you should all check it out. Big Black Gulliver , Sbotku and adman (the faggot) are really rocking things with me. what a gang!
we are wicked guy!
no photos
no video
no independent UN doctors to confirm
now (coincidentally lol ) 2 days ago AlCIAda say (out of blue) that if OSBama gets it – europes gettin nuked….
READING BETWEEN THE LINES IS A NEEDED SKILL HERE FOLKS
sharpen your knives and get goin on the saturday night specials kids.
its now or never.
Going with customers in Thailand is not prostitution. So, this is not a crime. This is a part of the underlying culture in Thailand. The Thais are very agreeable to commoditizing what value they possess. This is part of their history. And we should not be beating down an organization (restaurant or otherwise) just because we feel there is something wrong with it based on a western standard.
Thais feel that it is morally unacceptable to yell at each other…. Does your culture work in this way? Probably not.
If the girls are not there forced to do these things — if it is their choice — then stop judging it. It is not for you to decide how they run their lives.
There is law and their is hypocrisy.
For the Mango Owners to deny that they arevoluntarily involved and profiting albeit in small amounts from prostitution is hypocrisy at its finest.
chirrrrpppppppppppppppppppp – chiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppppppppp
I’m still here
I’ve just been asleep for 2 weeks. TamponTamer & I went to the free buffet dinner at 7:30 last night only to find the restaurant hadn’t yet thrown out the leftovers into the dumpster. Everything was back to normal by 8pm and we left the alley fully satisfied
Editor’s note: Personal information redacted.
Prufie…
Hahahahahahaha
Oh Yeah.
The Big Mango Bar is not for sale.
Nicholas Dattoma, Michael Francis Smith, and Graham Jones don’t emply prostitutes at their Bar.
And ………… wait for it……… Daffy Duck aka Harry Zink is my best friend in the whole wide world.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Double Oh Yeah.
I can’t be Big Black Gulliver because I never post on BigBaby.
Nicholas Dattoma, Michael Francis Smith, and Graham Jones told us not to.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
May 5, 2011 at 6:10 am some Ash-hole commented on one of the local blogs that he agreed
Dean Barret’s nocturnal meanderings resembled a kind of rationalization for addiction.
I’m no fan of Barret’s but I do have a powerful objection to the likes of this punk-Ashed goof whom
I saw about seven months ago stumbling through one of the larger soi Cowboy bars with
a couple of his sex tour ”clients” straggling along in confused, head-scratching disarray.
A few years bouncing of the walls of the Hollywood disco begging for “free tale” would make him a player.
I expect his dork will be pounding out his very own “I get pussy free” brag-blog unless
economic reality has already squeezed him into the pitiful exit slot that awaits these usually penniless
and self-professed nightlife gurus.
He should at least afford Barret the respect of his age and his experience.
Really, what a complete and utter Ash-hole.
My Cock was an inside job – inside prufrock’s ass.
Gulliver, you haven’t threatened to beat anybody up today. Are you unwell?
At least you ain’t as bitter as Saphan Loy. All those well prepared essays and nobody to read them
He should join forces with the Dummy blog and increase his readership numbers into double digits
Nothing like 2 people posting under the last 7 sock puppet names. Hahah. You dumbass Kenny you still haven’t figured out how to lock down your site.
Harry Zink, I fucked “Nick Allder’s wife” Burbank, CA
Nick Allder, Visual Effects Supervisor , The Alien Legacy
David C.Fein, Producer , The Alien Legacy
Michael Matessino, Producer , The Alien Legacy
Douglas Trumbull, John Dykstra, Richard Yuricich, Lindsley Parsons, Robert Swarthe, Joe Jennings, Leon Harris, John Vallone, Lee Cole.
Nicholas Dattoma “Yes I own the brothel in Bangkok”, Director of Engineering at BEA systems and Oracle.
Michael Francis Smith “I run a whorehouse in Bangkok”, Yahoo Evangalist, Singapore and Indonesia.
Graham H. Jones, Oil Field Roustabout, Algeria
Harry Zink, IT consultant Burbank CA
BigBlackGulliver, homosexual with a small dick.
Graham H. Jones, Process and Control Systems (P&CSD) Saudi ARAMACO and owner of the The Big Mango Bar Brothel in Bangkok.
Saleh A. Al-Zaid, Manager, Process and Control Systems (P&CSD)
Taher M. Al-Nemer, supervisor of P&CSD’s Pipelines and Simulation Unit
Omar S. Bazuhair, chief engineer from Engineering;
Ahmed A. Metwalli, assistant to executive head of E&P Planning;
Saleh A. Al-Zaid, P&CSD manager; Isam A. Al-Bayat, vice president of Engineering Services
http://www.aramcoexpats.com/Articles/Pipeline/Saudi-Aramco-News/Dhahran-Media/3750.aspx
Why would Kenny want to lock down his site?
The sockpuppet brigage is the funniest thing here.
If you would like an accurate description of Ash and his genotype,
click: http://notthenation.com/ .
Go to the business section (lower left) and
read the article entitled “Gulliver’s Serves its 1,000,000 Ash-hole.
Will someone either shoot,maim or burn Russell Keith Summers and make the internet a better place? This toxic turd pollutes anything by his presence.
The sooner the noxious fungus is destroyed the better.
The only pricks polluting the internet are:
Madman Prufrock
Asperger Daffy
The triumvirate
This site is bullshit with or without any of them guys. I can see why very few people regularly comment on this site. Can’t you? Lack of website management by Kenny. What a loser.
” I can see why very few people regularly comment on this site.”
Good one ! Are you nuts Mexicali Gringo ?
226 comments on this thread alone.
483 comments (!!!) and still going strong on the Galt topic.
Just open your eyes man.
Only a Mexican could conclude the opposite of the the obvious. Just another fan of the former Mango group?
I’m a fan of Prufrock’s conspiracies
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The Sockpuppet brigade is taking its toll on Graham.
Graham runs around boasting about his money and then rapes customers wallets by charging them for his birthday party.
Must be hurting business because he is attempting some PR on his image.
Now he is giving away an Ipad and 10,000 baht to charity.
Still screwing everyone though.
The Ipad giveaway costs 200 baht to enter and there are 100 tickets. 20,000 baht ($666 USD) for a last generation Ipad that costs $300 and an Itouch that costs $100.
The 10,000 baht charity donation is only made if somone rings the bell 10 times which costs about 3000 baht each time. So the charity donation of 10,000 costs 30,000 baht.
Is that really charity? When 1/3rd goes to charity and 2/3rds goes into Graham’s pocket?
Graham. A right proper businessman.
No wonder he is rich and the customers are poor.
——————————–
From Graham.
Sorry, it’s the ‘Original’. The iPad2 prize will be at the iParty2
FYI.. It’s the iPad (original) 16gb wifi. Second prize is an iPod Touch 8gb.
Both new, in the box – fresh from Heathrow Airport 24 hours before the party.
Still ironing out the details.. but basically it will involve the purchase of some nasty-ass shot. You will then be given a ticket/number.
Tickets will be pulled out of a hat between 10:30-11:30 and the winner will have 5 mins to collect their prize. (as they might be throwing up or smoking)
If after 5 mins the winner doesn’t claim their prize, another ticket will be drawn.
Tickets will be limited to cover the cost of the iPad/iPod only. There will be no profit making on this.
At this moment in time, the drinks (tickets) will be 200bht each. You can buy as many as you want. – but tickets will be limited to 100.
For those of you who have just done the math, yes, you could buy 100 and get the items cheaper than you could buy them in the store. However, you’ll only get a ticket in exchange for an empty shot glass that has been downed (not thrown)
Also, as we are in such a good mood these days… I will be donating 10k to charity if the bell is rung 10 times (drinks for the staff).
Come and join in the fun!
Tried to post this on the Mango Blog but it went into moderation.
When you “ring the bell” how many drinks do you have to buy and how much do they cost?
Do you get to know before you ring the bell or do you have to rely on Graham being honest when the bill is tallyed up?
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/former-colin-powell-chief-of-staff-bush-didnt-want-to-get-bin-laden/
The original Ipad is obsolete.
Don’t waste your money on the raffle.
Even if you win you are getting a tablet PC that will be unable to run many apps in a year.
Spend the $600 for a current Ipad. Much better deal and you will look much cooler too.
What don’t you understant about business?
We are not a charity.
We own a bar to make a profit which will support our Bangkok lifestyle.
If you think a raffle is really giveaway then crawl back to the cradle because that is the level of your intelligence.
me good girl. need money work bar. one like nic he say no have sex customer ok. get drinks many pay all money month. ago 5months nic have meeting say girl work have sex customer must. I talk nic he say no sex no money. need sex 8 customer month or pay money part.
I say no. nic so no money no sex but if have sex him can give me litte bit. nic no nice I no want need money so say ok. me no like nic. he bad man.
We need more bashing. That’s what this site once did best. Anymore it seems all you see is Prufrock and Kenny posting under 100 different names.
Numpty Fucks Indeed.
Never mind Prufrock.
He is still a irrelevant numpty fuck.
Sure, whatever there, Numpty
Believe what gets you through the night.
Believe what you have to believe to convince yourselves you’re on the good side.
Yep. Nobody here, ‘cept us sock puppets.
You fucking wish you boring daffy-mantra spewing wipe-off rag.
Nobody here?
There’s you , after all. Yelling to everyone else about how there’s no one.
And there’s certainly loads of hit-beggers wandering over from the Dummy site
to beg, cajole, entice, threaten, intimidate, smear, or whatever it is that gives your
bleak existence a semblance of meaning.
Personally, I couldn’t be bothered.
I get enough of the no-brain stuff from y’all right here.
(And yes won’t it just be too funny if/when you copy paste parts of this comment
and post it under your name with one of your asinine slur mandalas ungrammatically to it.)
You of course would see that as wit and aplomb. You fucking jailhouse goof.
The reality that sane intelligent people would see it as laziness, stupidity and clearly indicative of
your troglodyte perspective eludes you. Or as you love to [oint out; sane, intelligent, informed, capable, solvent successful people are irrelevant :-)
Really’
Who would have guessed that Kenny’s failing of a first year student or his
out-pointing of some 3rd-rater in a tenure struggle would have engendered such hate and bitterness ?
And sent the self-appointed erstwhile aircraft fantasist daffy into his keith summers-like stalking mode.
The whole stinking stew of shit speaks volumes for the quality of Kenny’s enemies in academe and avolumes for the crew that would patronize a site as idiotic as that Dummy site daffy created and endlessly begs everyone to visit.
Like the hooting howling packs of self-congratulatory imbeciles cheering televised sport but holding the shallowest of opinions on
anything truly meaningful, you boys are a living breathing cautionary advertisement to those who wish consciously to AVOID the limbic lout classes and their limbic inclusionary rituals of bobble-headed fealty to stoopidity.
These would include, boasting about “pulling” a hooker, drinking till one vomits, and gossiping incessantly about one another watching bare-knuckle fights and one-upping one another on various aspects of web wizardry.
What a fetid coven of stale-minded ciphers..
You fucking nitwits certainly deserve the flaming lake of shit you’ve made for yourselves.
Prufrock = Simply a lamebrain who latches onto any little thread of fiction and spins it until he believes it’s bigger than the most solid piece of evidence ever put in front of anyone. Thats why he’s always drawing the short straw. That’s why his 911 rants are going nowhere and why people snicker in the bars along Suk as he walk down the street (alone). That’s why he continues to post comments under the very names of the people he loathes and then responds to them with another stream of stupidity so that he can hit the enter key and boast, “Once again I’ve said something important that people will remember.”
He’s not just stoopid, he’s a koook with 3 o’s
Irrelevant is the perfect word in describing him.
The only “stoopid” thing Prufrock has done is meet that 1/2 girl, 1/2 poof DaffyDuck, an action I’m sure he now regrets
Prufrock has his opinions, it’s an open blog, yet those who can’t debate constructively turn to bitching, a common Mangoloid trait
The Dummy crowd don’t get it. They’re off reciting their screwing sessions ad nauseam to the point of boredom, trying hard to impress the newbies, like those other 25 other blogs and forums do
This blog on the other hand takes it beyond Sukhumvit Bangkok, to a higher level beyond your NEP and Soi33′s. Sit back and listen to the Kennys and the Prufrocks and you might learn something
“yet those who can’t debate constructively turn to bitching, a common Mangoloid trait”
LOLOLOL
Wake up Cupcake, The only thing that keeps this blog running is bitching and complaining with people like Prufrock leading the way.
Tell me defender of all things BBK, why is it that Kenny doesn’t label any of the comments by Real Daffy Duck or Big Black Gulliver or Daywalker as FAKE? He knows they’re fake and does nothing.
You knows why but deny it. Because without the appearance that those guys still comment here there be nothing to stir up the bitching and moaning. It’s one thing to make a point and move on. You’re just as obsessed about Daffy as Prufrock. Truth be known you’re probably just another Prufrock alias.
End of story.
@ Jimmy
Row! You dumb broke-ass fuckwit. Row!
@end of story.
If what you say is true, tell me who the real idiots are?
Hahahahahahahahaha!
@End Of Story
“Cupcake”? You must be BigBlackGulliver then, the homosexual with a small dick
If not then HarryZink, the homosexual with no dick
lolol
I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say “Prufrock, shut the fuck up and get a life”
Just Sayin – Amen Brother. Amen!
As I was in the area, a pal and I stopped by the Mango at the weekend to see whats happening.
I dont know the Mangoids. I only used to go to the Mango for the (thai)food which is pretty good I have to admit and gf likes it.
The inside of the bar has completely changed. There is no staff in there that I recognize and when I asked who owns the place I was told “the guy spends most of his time outside Thailand”?! Michael?
The girls were pretty nice. Nothing like the old hogs. Asked about barfines and was told they are no longer in effect.
Looks to me like the place has been sold, some money has been spent and it’s nothing like before.
Stayed for some food. It’s still pretty good.
If it’s not been sold then the advert is wrong because we only counted 8 staff.
Another scoop for Kenny!
I have a good job in the hospitality industry and sometimes I like to get out of that kind of place in search of something real so I
head down to Cowboy and Nana.
Soi 4 itself is dirty and disgusting and I the only time I go there is to barfine the more professional class of hooker you get in Nana Plaza.
When I’m done my business, I always feel the urge to boast about it and of course, there’s no better place to boast about getting sexed by a woman I paid to put out than the big Mango Bar.
I confess I was a lurker on their old website, I forget the name, funny how that happens with these bars and these people but I
think it was called something like The Farang Paid Too Much or TFP2M or something like that.
Anyway, I really liked the old blog and the old bar way they ran it. It reminded me of an old hotdogger club blog called Nanapong. We all used to get on there and congratulate ourselves about being huge mongers there as well. I guess I was a big player there, too.
Anyway I just want to say that I haven’t seen the new Big Mango or even the *new* New Big Mango.
I have heard about it but I haven’t seen it.
There’s loads of new bars on soi four there and I just don’t see the point of heading w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-y down thereon the dark end of soi 4 to
hang out with a bunch of guys who think they’re better at barfining prostitutes than everyone else.
At first that bar looked kind of cool but the owner thing gets kind of threadbare after a few visits.
That whole scene is like a pair of those distressed, tea-stained jeans that sell for 550$ in the better shops in the better
cities. Why would I spend the money on soiled tea-stained jeans when could just pick a pair out of the laundry basket?
Anyways, as you can see, I always get sidetracked. Especially when I set out to go there.
Like a lot of other guys you see along soi 4, I end up distracted at one of the seven or eight street-front bars that have appeared over the last
two years. There used to be only Big Dogs and the GBB but now there’s lots of new imitators. The girls are really friendly
and I’ve met a lot of brother mongers in these places who can tell you what’s happening.
Sometimes if you look closely at the bargirl lines up you can pick out girls who have gotten bored with pole dancing and opted for chatting up Western men in these new bars. Some of them look like university student freelancers. I don’t know if they are but they look that way though.
I just wear regular Levis. The tea stained jeans are just too expensive.
I feel the same about the Big Mango but with the Mango, it’s not the money because everyone knows they have to give away beer and drinks and door prizes to make people walk that extra half kilometre down the dark end of the soi and into their alleyway. I never been there but I hear there’s a picture window that lets you see outside from the bar.
I like the old Pracha’s Jewelery (Striker’s)shop sports bar better though. And Big Dogs, that’s a good show. GBB (Golden Beer Bar) is also good, and then there’s Hanrahan’s for food and some other new bars on that side.
And they’re a lot closer. And the people who work there and the people who go there are real friendly.
Anyway, almost every bar is closer.
Does this webmaster Big Baby Kenny have a bar on that street?
I stopped going to the Mango because I don’t want to put money in Graham’s wallet.
The prick is all over the internet mouthing off about how rich he is.
Why make him richer?
Wow. I just got punked on BigBabyKenny.com. I guess I must really be somebody in the blogosphere. haha.
@nurseron
Being idolized on this blog is nothing to be proud of!!! Ashamed maybe?
I know my comments won’t endear me to some bar owners, or those with interests in bars, but I urge anyone interested in investing (note the VERY deliberate use of italics) in a bar in this part of the world to be very, very careful.
In this case, I refer to investing money in an existing bar, not actually starting a new bar, or buying an existing business outright.
The number of tricks that a very small number of shrewd players get up to are quite unreal and I simply put this out there in the hope that anyone considering investing in a bar doesn’t get tripped up like many before them.
There are numerous tricks employed, most of which aren’t easily spotted, even if due diligence is carried out.
Perhaps the most common ruse is that there are often more investors in a bar than there appears and total shares in the bar exceed 100% i.e. there might be 25 people who each bought – and believe – they have a 10% share in the bar.
The next most common ruse, linked to the previous ruse, is that documentation isn’t forthcoming so a sum of money is handed over – often 1,000,000 baht in cash, of course – and the buyer never gets any paperwork to show that he actually has a share in the bar. He may be told that documentation is coming, and coming…and months later, after various excuses, it is still coming!
Next is the way that some bar bosses expense everything in their life through the bar’s accounts, to include a fabulous condo, trips around the country, meals in high-end hotel restaurants and various other expenses, which are listed in the books as expenses related to the bar, but they aren’t at all.
A common enough strategy in small businesses, but essentially the investors are funding the initial investors’ personal lifestyle. You also hear stories of bar bosses going on “scouting trips” for new bar staff or locations for a new bar and blowing ridiculous sums, like 50,000 baht or more in 2 days.
Don’t ever give your money to bar owners for points.
If you are stupid enough the most you can hope for is to get paid back about half your money before the owners stop paying you.
Like Stickman says with no written contract the only thing you can do is threaten the owners.
If they leave the country with your money there is nothing you can do.
When the bar is put up for sale you get nothing because you were never the owner.
Don’t ever give your money to bar owners for points.
I remember when SideShow Bob went off to Hua Hin to investigate and investment opportunity. Then the collapse happened. Interesting timing. Hmmmm.
It’s hard to threaten people after they have moved it India and Malaysia.
RollN maybe you should hire a cyber stalker.
Call Marc Holt or Keith Summers and see if they are available.
Hahahahahaha.
Seriously RollN. Are you such a moron that you didn’t think something was wrong when you were wined and dined with a fancy lunch and free drinks and told that you could earn a 100% guaranteed annual return on your money?
Any sucker that believes that deserves what he gets which, in your case, is to lose his money.
And when “the boys” wouldn’t provide a signed contract and asked you to trust them didn’t any alarm bells go off in your head?
Ask yourself what kind of idiot would hand over $50,000 US dollars on a handshake when the deal involves a house of prostitution and the kind of people who wash up in LOS and try to get rich running a string of prostitutes, a whorehouse and trying to hype a hamburger as a culinary masterpiece.
Shrewd operators = Nicholas Datoma, Michael Francis Smith, and Graham Jones.
Hahahahahaha!
In last week’s column I mentioned that investing in a bar in Thailand may not the best way to make money and at that risk of sounding like a broken record, I repeat the commonly heard Bangkok mantra – if you want to make a small fortune in Thailand, start with a large fortune and invest in a bar.
Strolled into the Big Mango Saturday night at 10:30 PM.
There were no customers and 3 girls plus the manager working. The girls played pool with themselves while I ate some chicken wings and left after an hour. Nobody came into the bar for an hour.
Place was totally dead.
We are looking for the dog that ate Silverboi’s camera, the one that contained the 3rd Anniversary Party pictures.
Dogs are territorial animals we are sure to see him in the alley on Soi 4.
Our plan is to catch the dog, lock him in the back room, and give him puppy laxatives until he shits out the SD card.
We’ll wash the shit off the card, transfer the pictures to my Macbook, and post them on our website.
And no, we won’t be washing the dog shit off the SD card in the same sink we use to prepare food so don’t worry about the shit getting into your Mango burgers.
silverboi – WTF, this is bullshit!
Didn’t you guys have anyone else take pictures? Can you crowd source pics?
I don’t know what’s more pathetic.
Graham, Nick, and Michael playing these stupid games pretending they are going to post the pictures but, secretly, being ashamed that there was no one at their party, ashamed The Big Mango is empty every night, and ashamed they are trying to sell the bar but no one wants to buy it OR the morons on their blog who actually believe Silverboi lost the pictures.
The dog ate Silverboi’s camera.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
I never lie.
Hahahahahaha!
Oh yeah.
TT is a liar.
The nights and times he said there were no customers there were 2 customers in the bar the first time and 3 customers the second time.
So TT is a liar.
We have customers.
Hahahahahaha!
Double Oh Yeah.
The first night the 2 customers ordered 2 beers each and the second night the 3 customers had one beer before leaving.
That means we sold 7 beers over 2 nights.
We are prospering and making tons of money.
Hahahahahahaha!
Hey. The Big Mango was rockin last night.
So many sexy freelancers I almost blew my load in my pants.
Yes. Dozens of juicy pussies sitting around waiting for a hook up.
Come on down and enjoy 69 baht draft Leo and nipple shots and hang out with the many sexy freelancers hanging out at the Big Mango Bar every night.
YeaH!. The Big Mango is packed every night. Reasonable drink prices YeaH! Lots of virgin vagina YeaH! Friendly hosts with advice for Newbies about girl prices YeaH! Don’t pay too much to get laid YeaH! Walk down Soi 4. Walk past Hilary bar. Look down the next side street. The Big Mango YeaH!
The Big Mango had a party last weekend and guess what?
NO PICTURES posted on the Mango website.
Hahahahahahaha!
Nicholas Dattoma, Graham Jones, and Michael Francis Smith didn’t post pictures from the BIG (haha) Anniversary Part or last weekends Football party because:
1) They are embarrassed to show an empty bar?
2) They are embarrassed that there are no girls at the party?
3) Their customers are afraid of their photographs being put online because the Big Mango has been publicly identified as a whorehouse.
4) Their customers are afraid of being identified by the cyberstalkers, like Harry Zink, Keith Summers, and Big Black Gulliver, and having themselves outed as whorehouse customers to their neighbors back home.
5) The owners are a nasty disagreeable lot who no one wants to be around.
6) All of the above.
^ Yes Quiz, number 4 may have some validity. My latest victim was a married whoremonger from Australia. I got the family email address from him as I was lending ”expert” Bangkok advice to this newbie. You know things like the Big Mango Bar is “THE” place to go for a great night out and where the certified Apple resellers are
He was in a drunkin stupor – Puh! Are Australians in any other state? In his blubbering random rants he let slip his email address which I quickly noted down on my iPhone4 (with white case), heh heh – silly man
As soon as I got back to the Hotel I had the iPad2 (fully upgraded latest model) out. It took 10 minutes to write a quick email to his wife explaining he wasn’t on a Sales trip to Malaysia at all but whoremongering in Bangkok. I added pictures I had taken of him (from my other iPhone 3GS – black case) cuddling some cheap Soi4 whore
Hahaha Hehehe Hohoho, to be a fly on the wall when he got back home
The previous comment is an obvious parody but based on reality. This is what happens at The Big Mango these days. The current crowd are a bunch of wankers who get off on this type of stuff. I suppose it could have been predicted given their clientele.
You’ll never find me there. Why complicate your life?
Ahhhh yes, and then there’s Kenny using the assorted collection of names to continue his campaign of hate against the Big Mango (come on Kenny, the RealDaffyDuck name is soooooo played out).
Things haven’t changed much from when you first started this sorry website, has it Kenny? Same blog administrator spewing the same hate and vindictive. Same agenda, etc etc
I assure you I am not Kenny, let me prove it to you. Kenny likes a Thai girl draped around his arm, I prefer a Thai girl with a deep voice, 2 balls and a man-sausage. Okay I admit I’m a closet gay – I don’t traipse hand in hand down Sukhumvit with my ladyboy and prefer to keep quiet about it, and I’ve got no doubt my behaviour on this site must at some time had you all suspecting my sexuality
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Really? Whatever happened to the Big Mango’s bankruptcy and sale?
Seems to be doing admirably well, according to Stickman.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2012/Siam-Square.htm
The Big Mango will celebrate its 4th anniversary in its second location on the small sub soi just off Soi Nana next Saturday, 9th June.
From 7 – 8 PM, pints of Tiger and Heineken will be an incredible 30 baht (NOT a typo, THIRTY baht!)
From 8 – 9 PM the price will be 40 baht a pint and from 9 – 10 PM it will be 50 baht a pint, assuming stocks last.
There’ll be free food & snacks including the national dish of England – Tikka Masala – as well as Thai food from 8:30 onwards.
In the upstairs party room will be gogo girls doing gogo things. Shots will be given away and it will be buy 3 drinks, get the 4th free. It should be a great night!
Bumped for all to see.
Purple prediction fail!
Seems to be doing quite well for something in “death throes”.
More BS from Kenny, that he’s too much of a coward to redact?
Of course.
chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp.
4th year anniversary. remodel. more customers.
Sure looks bad.
chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp.
Purple remodel, Purple BIG mango!
Yummy. Mangolicous.
Hard to fell any sympathy for the Mango boys. Three bullies. Smug and slimy. Moved to Bangkok mouthing off about what happening cats they were. All the while making a living selling young Thai girls to slimy old white men. They got what they deserved.
Graham,
Sounds to me like you will end up with a bag of money, that Mango customers will end up with a cool place to stay and rent, and that an expanded menu will attract more Thai girls after closing time….
… for those able to read between the lines, sounds like a win/win to me for everyone (well, except for *one* guy, maybe, who’ll now lose his purpose).
I say, once this is all over, house-warming party at Big G’s new digs!
I can’t decide on the CLK63 or another 911 Turbo to celebrate the sale?
Oh, for those of you who still have a 20% discount card at the Mango – feel free to chuck it in the trash to save the Mango staff cutting it up infront of you and your pals!
I don’ read this blog and I don’t post in the comments.
Oh yeah. I am not a racist. Michael Smith and Nicholas Dattoma don’t own the Mango, and I don’t care about anything written here.
While I am at it, I really am richer than all you mother fuckers.
Hahahahahaha!
Graham. These are real questions so I would appreciate some answers.
You spend your own money opening a big restaurant, The Duke, and, in a couple of years, it is closed down.
You tell everyone it is closed for renovations and will reopen but it never does.
You tell everyone the restaurant is a “success”.
Next, you take other people’s money to build the second iteration of The Big Mango Bar and spend your own money making improvements.
The bar goes through multiple managers and bleeds customers until no one is left except you and a couple of friends. Within a year, you announce the bar is closing and will be converted into a short time hotel run by Thai people.
You don’t pay back the people who paid for the new bar, post on your bar blog that you hate blacks and most of your customers and announce you are leaving town without paying back any of the investors.
In the meantime, you declare The Big Mango a “success” because you never wanted to make money from the bar.
I am sure if you ask your investors if they thought the bar was going be a “hobby” when you took their money to build the new bar, they would answer with a resounding no.
So like many expats, you stole people’s money and now are doing a runner.
Do you wonder why so many people either hate you or just think you are scum?
No where in Grahams blog does he state that the Mango will become a short time hotel. A hotel yes and a serviced apartment. Get you facts straight.
Moronic. Let me answer your questions on Grahams behalf…..
The Duke was sold. After a year or so, the BUILDING was closed for renovations and the Duke reopened as the Pintsman. The same owner.
Graham never took anyones money for the mango. Why would he need to? Please explain?
Where does Graham say that the mango is closing?
Yes, he does say that he was not in it for the money. It is a hobby. He is not in Thailand to work. He is there for fun. He’s been doing this for many years.
It is obvious to us all here that you guys are jealous of Graham as he is living the life and you are just trolling.
Does he refuse to serve Nigerians? Yes he does. Why? Because he can. As he said, he doesn’t need their money.
Please, stop being a moron and spend more time concentrating on your English Teaching.
And last of all, Graham is not leaving town.
Anything associated with “Hairless” Harry Zink is going to crater.
But Graham can hardly be blamed for that. If you dump a needy “fan” like Harry Zink he stalks you, slanders you, lies about you and starts a web site to crap all over you.
So the Mango was stuck with the Harry (aka Daffy Duck, Real Daffy Duck and countless other names) until it tanked.
With friends and allies like Harry Zink, poor Graham didn’t need enemies.
Just ask anyone associated with any site that Harry Zink has ever posted on.
Harry Zink: to have ever met him, in person or in a forum, is to hate him.
Wonder how long it will take for this troll coward to close up his idiot sites and
crawl back into his hole.
Actually, nothing that get said by Daffy, or anything on here for that matter is or has effected the mango. Who are we to assume that the people on street actually read this rubbish or listen to what the trolls have to say?
Lets face it, its only kenny here with the ego who thinks people take note of what he says.
Daffy and kenny are made for each other.
Proof Reader.
Are you serious?
Do you really expect Thai management to run serviced apartments for corporate executives at the end of a dark alley on Soi 4?
Who do you think is going to rent the rooms? Expats on the full package from IBM? Or sex mongers looking for a room to shag their cambodian whore from Nana Hotel parking lot?
And to you View From Above.
Who runs a sex business for fun?
It’s a sick person who thinks it’s “fun” to hire young girls with no education or other opportunity to spread their legs for fat out of shape white men (if you can’t picture this, bring up the image of Graham himself, Zink the Stalker, or fat pudgy Nick) and take a commission off the sex.
What normal person runs a commercial sex enterprise as a “hobby”.
Only a serial killer sick fuck would.
Pattaya Joe.
Pattaya? The home of the sex-tourist peados?! hahahaha
You talk rubbish. What you describe is not the mango. In fact, you all say that there are no customers, and fat ugly staff, then change sides and say its a sex business. Make up your minds.
Graham is right to want to turn his back on the trolls. He has the money and the lifestyle. From what can be seen, you guys (kenny) are riddled with jealousy!
Move on, get over it.
Don’t give all the credit to Kenny.
Mike Smith’s dumb-ass choice of location played a huge role in this.
The Mango’s self-proclaimed Hugh Hefner of Bangkok led his entourage right into the swamp at the end of that sad little soi.
The Mango’s unfortunate association and friendship with degenerates like Young Penfold, moochers like Werewolf and crypto-homosexuals like “nurse”Ron and Lomeo needs some credit for the fact that potential customers stayed away in droves from this place.
It didn’t help to have second thoughts about the Mango being a gay bar for poorly-closeted fudge packers whose bar conversation focussed primarily on self-mutilated young men sucking their dicks and (for sure) opening their own rectums up for a little buggery from the third sex. (“One hole is as good as another” was their battle cry.)
Really, who the fuck wants to drink beside some crypto-poofter who stinks of meth, cheap make-up and lady-by shit. You can thanks Steve Green for that indelible association.
We should all let this simmer in internet stalker, and forum bully Harry Zink’s cesspit of a brain for a few days.
We should all wait and see how. His Puke-ness, Saphan Loy (Harry Zink) spins this latest development.
We can now add “irrelevant” to “hated” and “reviled” whenever these universally disgusting vomit bags waddle their way onto the blogo-shere.
With any luck, BigBlackMichaelFrancisSmithGulliver will see all his admissions of pedophilia and moral slovenliness disappear from Harry’s hate site.
(Sixteen years old is under-age Mike but you didn’t let that stop you from bragging about it on Harry’s site.)
And as far as you aging internet geniuses futures are concerned, you are now free to fight it out for hind tit with Harry Zink.
Oh, wait, there’s plenty of room now, you fucking used-up wipe rags.
Harry’s moved right down for a nosh at the old bitch’s prolapsed pussy.
Hey guys.
What about that cruise we (you know me, Graham, Mike, Nick and all my other Mango friends) were planning in the near future? The Mango Hugh Hefner Memorial Hubba hubba cruise ? Remember? Me ? Harry ? Harry Zink? Daffy? Daffy Duck? Duck. The Suck Duck ?
(I know you ordered me never to post here again but since your blog is choking out and mine are rarely visited if at all these days, and I’m kicked off all other sites of any relevance to Thailand, Apple Computers and anything in Bangkok I have to post here)
(Radio silence)
Anybody need a blowjob ?
Multi thumbs up my slack sphincter if you “liked” me better than Penfold.
Love Harry
View from Above.
Nobody said the staff was ugly or fat. Graham has hired young sexy girls that will have sex with customers if you pay Graham his fee and give the girls money.
And we are not talking about trolls. We are talking about the point holders in the bar who invested about $100,000 in the bar for a percentage of the profits and who will lose their money when Graham closes the bar.
That is what’s called a runner in Thailand. Expats who dump their savings into a business, borrow money from people, and when the business fails, leave Thailand and don’t pay people back. In other words, they run from their debts.
One of these investors was so desperate to get his money back, he took an ad out in the Bangkok Post offering his points for sale.
Graham is prancing around on his bar blog talking about buying a new Mercedes. How about taking his Mercedes money and paying back the money the Mango took from the point holders. Is it any wonder why so many people “in the know” hate him?
I will tell what I know about the “Mango Investors.”
When the Mango got kicked out of Nana Plaza, Michael Smith, Nicholas Dattoma, and whoever else had an ownership interest (I will only deal with known facts here), they didn’t have the capital to rebuild or reopen the bar in another location. Nana Plaza was obviously out (they had just gotten kicked out) and there were no suitable locations either on Soi 4, Patpong, or Cowboy.
Desperate to stay in business, they approached selected customers and expats for financing to build a new bar. A hotel conference room was rented, people were invited, free food was provided, and Nick and Michael pitched a new bar to potential investors. Points in the bar were offered for $25,000 dollars each. In exchange, point owners would get a proportionate share of the net profits each month.
The presentation was slick. The bar was pitched as a “new concept” that would draw customers from a young tech savy demographic that would find the bar through the blog and a companion site they were starting called Durian Seed. Nick and Michael pitched themselves as “celebrity endorsers” for the bar who would interface with the new breed of customers and serve as “ambassadors” who would show newbies around the Bangkok sex scene. They saw the bar and its companion sites as part of an “empire” that would dominate the Bangkok sex market. Yelp.com was used an example of what they were creating.
I declined to invest but others did. They raised over $100,000 dollars which paid for the current location. In case you forget, the current location started out as a shell and was completely gutted and built from scratch. This was expensive and consumed most of the investor’s money.
When the new bar opened, Nick and Michael tried to get freelancers to hang out in the bar but failed. The location and the lack of girls doomed the new bar. The world financial meltdown and the various bombings, riots, and political turmoil in Thailand killed the tourist industry and the bar started losing money. Over time, the customer base shrank, the bar declined to its current state, and Graham has announced its closing.
At one point, there was a meeting called where Nick and Michael laid out the state of the business and made it clear the investors had lost their money. There were a lot of angry words exchanged at that meeting. Threats were made. One of the investors blamed Nick for running afoul of Kenny and blamed the Kenny/Mango feud and all the bad press for driving new customers away from the Mango “brand”. That particular investor argued for issuing a public apology to Kenny but I don’t know what happened to that plan. The meeting broke up with no resolution but several of the investors to this day think they were sold a bill of goods and still want their money returned.
So that is where things stand today. The bar is closing, the investors’ money is gone, and there is a lot of hate toward Nick, Michael, and Graham.
I know the “official line” is that all the negative comments are from Kenny and his sockpuppets but, honestly, it more likely comes from the people who got screwed by the Mango owners in the past.
Pattaya Joe, if you think only corporations utilize serviced apartments then you are sadly under informed. In my first eight years as a Bangkok tourist, I only stayed in service apartments. You need to get out more, look around.
Not one thing Pattaya Joe says is true. Totally full of shit.
How do I know? Because I asked Graham.
He laughed!
To quote Graham ‘the mango is not closing’ and ‘no money is owed anywhere’
Kenny and his pals are just pissed that they only ever reached the heights of a sex tourist preying on young girls.
He also mentioned that if he is hated so much, why is it the losers never confront him and just hide over here? Is it because its only Kenny?
@Insider
Graham, Kenny and Daffy cannot be taken at their word.
The end game was never for Michael and Nicholas to grow old running a bar in the Bangkok nightlife district. Veterans of the dot.com bust, they had watched numerous people start up and sell internet businesses and get rich. In those years, traffic was king and sites with a large numbers of “clicks” were selling for millions. The end game was to start a site like Yelp.com that reviews local bars, hotels, and businesses, build up traffic, sell adds ala Facebook, and eventually sell it for millions to Yahoo or some other large internet site looking for a foothold in Thailand.
This is the same business model Spuul.com (Michael’s current employer) is following today. Copy the U.S. streaming video sites like NetFlix but for Indian movies and then when a company like NetFlix decides to enter the Indian market sell Spuul.com to Netlflix for millions.
That was why the crew of “Mangotards” was cultivated. Michael and Nicholas needed people to write reviews for Durian Seed so that others would have a reason to click there. The reason The Big Mango became the preferred hangout for the gang of misfits and losers was they needed them to fill their site up with content. People were needed to actually write good reviews of bars and restaurants to seed the site. Otherwise, the site would just be a URL that no one visited.
Pants Elk, Bangkok Bad Boy, The Pattaya Ghost, Werewolf, Young Penfold, Daffy Duck and others were “friended” and given insider status so they would continue to grind out articles and reviews for Durian Seed and its companion site. Pattaya Ghost was allowed to advertise his business on the bar blog. Werewolf was extended credit so he could drink when he was broke. Young Penfold was allowed to deal drugs on the “down low” to people whom he met through the blog. Etc. The comment section of the Blog was filled with Michael and Nicholas stroking their egos of their “Mangotards” to keep them typing away generating free content.
Anyone who knows these people knows they are the sorriest crowd of social misfits (think of the bar scene from Star Wars) and anyone who thought twice must have wondered why Michael and Nick, the self professed “cool cats” would surround themselves with such people but those in the know knew and now you know too.
Michael and Nick were scamming everyone. They had gotten the investors to fund the new bar but hadn’t given them any ownership rights in the new websites. In the end, they planned to sell the websites and their traffic to a big site looking for a foothold in the Thailand market and people who put up the money for their venture would be left with points in the bar but no ownership of the websites and their valuable traffic. Nick and Michael would own the website with all the hits and would cash the big check. The ultimate Fuck You.
I suppose it was a good plan but it got torpedoed by the tanking of the Thailand tourist market. When the bar started losing money it became unsustainable. There were too many mouths to feed and insufficient income. Nicholas and Michael both had to draw living expenses from the bar receipts, the full time manager had to be paid, and the investors wanted to get paid too. After financially struggling for months, Nicholas and Michael were forced to seek outside employment or end up homeless. And that is what they did.
Kenny, since when have you been calling yourself Mangostorian?
Such a fool.
There is a lot of miss-information here.
YP dealing drugs? Isn’t he best buds with WW – who inturn is your good friend?
The part about the investors meeting is true. I know because was invited. Like the Mangostorian, I also turned them down. Anyone who invests in a Thailand business is nuts. Look at the U.S. stock market right now. How are you going to earn a better return with less risk investing in Thailand?
If the Mangoloids friended all those people to get them to invest in the bar then why did they friend me?
I have nothing except some Apple stock that I’ve been greenhousing for f-a-a-a-ar to long and whose value has definitely tanked by over 35% in the last six months.
I have nothing.
Nobody will hire me or do business with me.
I was having to live in the basement of our family home in Burbank until Mom and Dad bit the bullet and bought me this subsidized housing unit in Toluca Canyon two tears ago.
So as you can see when the Mango started I had no money, no job and no friends, so why did the Mango guys take me on ?
I can show you the credit default notices I used to paper my concrete walls to give them a warmer, friendlier look.
I am Legend.
RGAL
What you are talking about (if true) was 5 years ago.
A lot has changed since then.
There are no investors anymore. They were taken care of a long time ago.
Stick to school teaching you fucking retard.
Insider. Get your lies straight. Before you claimed there were no investors in The Big Mango. Now you are saying there were investors?
5 years is enough time for the Nick and Mike to pay back the investors. This is if they didn’t intend to cornhole them from the very beginning.
Pattaya Joe.
I’d have though that that as you are an English Teacher, you could read what I had written.
As it stands now- there are NO investors. Everyone was taken care of.
The mango guys are all still friends, so I don’t know why you people say they all fell out or were scammed?
I guess it just boils down to the fact cheapass guys like you are bitter that these guys don’t give a shit about money like you do?
@ insider
you said “I guess it just boils down to the fact cheapass guys like you are bitter that these guys don’t give a shit about money like you do?”
Losing $25K and not giving a shit? Sheesh Graham, I mean Insider. Your friends must all be rich as you are.
Wheelchair Roland took out an ad in the Bangkok Post advertising his shares in the Big Mango Bar for sale.
He was unable to sell them of course.
I doubt he was “taken care of” or made financially whole.
Sound like spin control by Graham.
I am calling bullshit on Insider.
I tend to believe Mangostorian’s account. Sad that I remember this but at one point Bangkok Bad Boy had his own blog. The content was bought by Nick and Mike, closed down, and all the content transferred to the Big Mango Blog. This is consistent with Nick and Mike trying to build a library of content that would increase traffic to their websites so they could eventually sell them.
Mangostorian. If you would like to write something up, email it to me and I will post it.
BigBabyKenny
hahaha, Graham running around here under the name “Insider” frantically trying to discredit Mangostorian’s factual account – what a fool
Harry Zink aka DaffyDuck has now lost 40% of his wealth with Apple shares sinking even lower this past week despite the upbeat American share market
Harry Zink passed up buying property at bargain basement prices the last few years to instead invest all his money in Apple foolishly thinking Apple stock would keep going up and up
This goes against the common sense approach of any wise investor to have a varied portfolio to guard against any one company faltering and destroying your wealth – stuff they teach in elementary school
Harry Zink funds his sex tourist vacations to Thailand by selling a few Apple shares but also buying questionable quality second hand iPhones in America, refurbishing them as best he can, & bringing them with him to Bangkok to palm off to his friends in Bangkok for highly inflated prices. Some of these “friends” were Michael, Nicholas, & Graham from the Big Mango Bar
Now Michael & Nicholas have bolted from Thailand to avoid any obligation to pay back investors for the Big Mango Bar investment fraud, Harry Zink is now down 3 future buyers of upgraded iPhone 5′s with Graham also watching his pennies due to losing money hand over fist from having to fund his failing “hobby”, the Big Mango Bar
Harry Zink can no longer afford any sex tourist vacations to Thailand due his eye-watering 40% loss in wealth. In addition he no longer has any friends to palm off his iPhones to, his only customers left in this area convincing prostitutes to have their iPhones upgraded in exchange for sex
Sounds to me like you will end up with a bag of money, that Mango customers will end up with a cool place to stay and rent, and that an expanded menu will attract more Thai girls after closing time….
… for those able to read between the lines, sounds like a win/win to me for everyone (well, except for *one* guy, maybe, who’ll now lose his purpose).
I say, once this is all over, house-warming party at Big G’s new digs!
Harry.
Do you honestly think Graham is going to invite you over to his house?
The beginning of the end for Graham was the last Mango party in which nobody showed up. It was quite telling for him.
I for one will miss the cheap beer, free food and the superficial friendships I made.
BBK I prefer to remain anonymous so I won’t email this to you.
You have my permission to post it.
Some edits and additions were made and grammar and spelling correct.
Thanks,
Mangostorian.
I will tell what I know about the “Mango Investors.”
When the Mango got kicked out of Nana Plaza, Michael Smith, Nicholas Dattoma, and whoever else had an ownership interest (I will only deal with known facts here), didn’t have the capital to rebuild or reopen the bar in another location. Nana Plaza was obviously out (they had just gotten kicked out) and there were no suitable locations either on Soi 4, Patpong, or Cowboy.
Desperate to stay in business, they approached selected customers and expats for financing to build a new bar. A hotel conference room was rented, people were invited, free food was provided, and Nick and Michael pitched a new bar to potential investors. Points in the bar were offered for $25,000 dollars each. In exchange, point owners would get a proportionate share of the net profits each month.
The presentation was slick. The bar was pitched as a “new concept” that would draw customers from a young tech savvy demographic that would find the bar through the blog and a companion site they were starting called Durian Seed. Nick and Michael pitched themselves as “celebrity endorsers” for the bar who would interface with the new breed of customers and serve as “ambassadors” who would show newbies around the Bangkok sex scene. They saw the bar and its companion sites as part of an “empire” that would dominate the Bangkok sex market. Yelp.com was used an example of what they were creating.
For those not tech savvy, Yelp.com is a review site for local businesses. Patrons of the businesses write reviews and post them. The reviewers are normal Joe’s who don’t get paid for their reviews. Over time, the reviews pile up and create a massive database with reviews on almost every business in town. The beauty of the Yelp.com model is that the owners don’t write or do anything. As long as they can get customers to write free reviews of local businesses, the site slowly builds up a database of valuable reviews, the valuable reviews draw in more traffic, the traffic generates more reviews, and the site snowballs.
I declined to invest but others did. They raised over $100,000 dollars which paid for the current location. In case you forget, the current location started out as a shell and was completely gutted and built from scratch. This was expensive and consumed most of the investor’s money.
There was a 6 month period when the old bar had closed and the new bar hadn’t opened yet. Rather than keep their girls on payroll to tide them over, Nick and Michael made the cold hearted decision to just cut them loose without notice or severance pay. Many of the girls were forced onto the streets. If you walked down Soi 4, you could see ex-Mango girls standing in Nana Parking lot searching for customers to pay rent and feed themselves. Others could be seen standing half naked on the street in front of small Soi 4 bars where they got paid to entice pedestrians into the bars ala Pattaya Soi 6. A couple of the better looking ones got jobs as GoGo dancers in Cowboy and Nana and some just disappeared, never to be heard from again.
When the new bar opened, Nick and Michael tried populating it with new girls. They tried to get freelancers to hang out in the bar by giving out discount “membership” cards but failed to attract any. Because there were not many customers, many of the girls employed at their old location refused to work for the new bar. The ones who did return couldn’t find enough customers to make their monthly drink and sex quota and claim their full salaries. Eventually most of the girls left after Nick and Michael refused to lower quotas or increase salaries.
The out of the way location and lack of girls doomed the new bar. The world financial meltdown and the various bombings, riots, and political turmoil in Thailand killed the tourist industry and the bar started losing money. Over time, the customer base shrank, the bar declined to its current state, and Graham has announced its closing.
At one point, there was a meeting called where Nick and Michael laid out the state of the business and made it clear the investors had lost their money. There were a lot of angry words exchanged at that meeting. Threats were made. One of the investors blamed Nick for running afoul of Kenny and blamed the Kenny/Mango feud and all the bad press for driving new customers away from the Mango “brand”. That particular investor argued for issuing a public apology to Kenny but I don’t know what happened to that plan. The meeting broke up with no resolution but several of the investors to this day think they were sold a bill of goods and still want their money returned.
The end game was never for Michael and Nicholas to grow old running a bar in the Bangkok nightlife district. Veterans of the dot.com bust, they had watched numerous people start up and sell internet businesses and get rich. In those years, traffic was king and sites with a large numbers of “clicks” were selling for millions. The end game was to start a site like Yelp.com that reviews local bars, hotels, and businesses, build up traffic, sell adds ala Facebook, and eventually sell it for millions to Yahoo or some other large internet site looking for a foothold in Thailand.
This is the same business model Spuul.com (Michael’s current employer) is following today. Clone the U.S. streaming video sites like NetFlix but for Indian movies and then when a company like NetFlix decides to enter the Indian market sell, Spuul.com to Netlflix for millions.
That was why the crew of “Mangotards” was cultivated. Michael and Nicholas needed people to write reviews for Durian Seed so that others would have a reason to click there. The reason The Big Mango became the preferred hangout for the gang of misfits and losers was they needed the “Mangotards” to fill their site up with content. People were needed to actually write entertaining and informative reviews of bars and restaurants to seed the site. Otherwise, the site would just be a URL no one visited.
Once a big enough library of reviews was written, the site would start generating traffic, and the traffic itself would provide a continuous supply of new reviews. Crucial was getting the “Mangotards” to write the intial slug of reviews. Durian Seed was chosen as the name of the site because the “Mangotards” were meant to provide the “seed” from which a big juicy fruit would grow.
Pants Elk, Bangkok Bad Boy, The Pattaya Ghost, Werewolf, Young Penfold, Daffy Duck and others were “friended” and given insider status so they would continue to grind out articles and reviews for Durian Seed and its companion site. Bangkok Bad Boy was convinced to close his popular blog and give his valuable content to Nick and Michael. Pattaya Ghost was allowed to advertise his diving business on the bar blog. Werewolf was extended credit so he could drink when he was broke. Young Penfold was allowed to deal drugs on the “down low” to people whom he met through the blog. Etc. The comment section of the Blog was filled with Michael and Nicholas stroking the egos of their “pets” to keep them typing away generating free content.
Anyone who knows these people knows they are the sorriest crowd of social misfits (think of the bar scene from Star Wars) and anyone who thought twice must have wondered why Michael and Nick, the self-professed “cool cats” would surround themselves with such people but those in the know knew and now you know too.
Michael and Nick were scamming everyone. They had gotten the investors to fund the new bar but hadn’t given them any ownership rights in the new websites. In the end, they planned to sell the websites and their traffic to a big site looking for a foothold in the Thailand market and people who put up the money for their venture would be left with points in the bar but no ownership of the websites and their valuable traffic. Nick and Michael would own the website with all the hits and would cash the big check. The plan was always to leave the investors out in the cold. The ultimate Fuck You.
I suppose it was a good plan but it got torpedoed by the tanking of the Thailand tourist market. When the bar started losing money it became unsustainable. There were too many mouths to feed and insufficient income. Nicholas and Michael were drawing living expenses from the bar receipts, the full time manager had to be paid, and the investors wanted to get paid too. After financially struggling for months, Nicholas and Michael were forced to seek outside employment or end up homeless. And that is what they did. They did a runner and left Thailand.
Today, Michael and Nicholas tell everyone they no longer officially have an “interest” in The Big Mango and Graham owns the bar. Many of the investors believe this is a smoke screen to prevent them from trying to recover their money from Michael and Nicholas. If the bar was really “sold” to Graham they should be entitled to a share of the money but no money has been forthcoming and the terms of the “sale” to Graham have been kept under wraps.
The Big Mango and the lease on its location is actually owned by an Amity Corporation that lists Michael and Nick as the primary shareholders and managing directors. Ownership is a matter of public record and anyone can go down to the appropriate government office and see the paperwork. Rumor has it that this was done recently and no ownership change has been registered with the Thai government. Again the terms of the sale, if there actually is one, of the Mango to Thai owners is being kept under wraps. Graham is bragging about buying a new Mercedes and moving to a condo with an indoor pool and the investors still haven’t seen any returns or refund.
So that is where things stand today. The bar is closing, the investors’ money is gone, and there is a lot of hate toward Nicholas, Michael, and Graham.
I know the “official line” is that all the negative comments are from Kenny and his sockpuppets but, honestly, it more likely comes from the investors who got financially screwed by the Mango owners.
Still no comments on Zink’s latest posting. Back to cheesecake so he and BBG can chat.
Funny, when you think about it. Why does Zink post pics of girls when he actually craves ladyboys?
Daywalker says:
March 10, 2013 at 12:48 am
Looks like I’ll stick around. Had a meeting… looked at the building and what can be done with it… it’s exciting!
Any suggestions on a name for the building? It’s no longer going to be just a bar.
‘Big Mango Bar & Hotel’? Big Mango Place?
Suggestions please…..
How about Mango Place, a take off of the soap opera Melrose Place. Plenty of drama over the years. Or a trendy name such as The Metropolitan. Reach a broader demographic. There’s one in NY I stay at.
This posting was censored at the Mango blog. But why?
Your comment was censored because none of the Mango crew have a sense of humor.
Hahahahahahaha.
If the mango bar goes away where will I find a mediocre burger now?
You turds haven’t seen Werewolf lately.
He lost 20 kg and looks lean and mean these days.
So fuck you all.
Just thought I’d drop in and let everyone know I died 3 years ago.
Thanks for the heads up Pants Elk.
I’d like to let everyone know I am still a short albino.
I still have the investors money. Hmmmmmmmm. Should I use it to buy a new Mercedes or invest it in my new Luxury Condo with Millenium pool in Phuket?
Fuck YOU!
My name is Harry Zink and sucking Graham’s micro penis makes me smile.
Help. Its hot and smelly in India. The girls have hairy vaginas and they smell like old gym socks.
There was a cute little girl who worked at the Mango I took a fancy to. name was oy. I was too cheap to pay her price and ooy didn’t want to get fucked in the poop shute. When she was thrown out on the street during the Mango closing, I ran across her in nana parking lot. She was sooooooo f’ing desperate she came home with me for $20 and let me use her a-hole. Squealed like a little pig. Best fuck in my life. Thanks Mango boys.
Big Mango is currently looking for new staff (prostitutes) to join the team. for day / evening shifts. Yes we know this is illegal but I have deep pockets to pay a little tea money. Then why don’t you pay back the investors I hear you ask?
Hahahahahahahaha, no really that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day
Contact the pimp, “Big G” for details. And by the way, if you don’t make me enough money each month I’ll throw your dirty whore ass out on the pavement
ps No nigger whores need apply
The Friendly Team at the Big Mango Bar
What is all this concern for our girls? They are just prostitutes. Lower than soi dogs. So what if we throw them out on the street and they starve. Fuck them. I mean come down to The Big Mango and pay me to fuck them. Haha.
Just been catching up with the dross that is being spoken on the ‘other site’.
I am sure it’s just Kenny speaking with himself.
He bores me. He’s lost.
The wankers that are on there (if anyone else other than him) are pathetic peasants.
Sitting in the Mango now… laughing at Kenny and his mates, not one customer has heard of Kenny and his site!
Sign of the times Kenny you fat wanker. Your day has passed long ago!
Graham
Hey Graham,
How many poor young girls from Issan had to spread their legs to pay for your new Mercedes?
Your a wonderful upstanding human being.
Do you believe in karma?
Hey Graham,
You say it doesn’t bother you but why are you doing spin control interviews on other websites?
Why have you posted 12 times in the comments on your own site denying things?
And the biggest question of all………. wait for it………………… Why don’t you just shut the fuck up!
Seriously,
The reason Graham can’t shut up is because this site does bother him. He says no ones heard of Kenny. Well good. Then why does he even bring it up? “Cuz fhe’s ull of shit. If he truly wasn’t bother by dissent of the Mango spin, we wouldn’t hear a word from him.
He’s obsessed, but not as obsessed as Haryy Zink, owner of Bigdummkenny and Saphan Loy.
Heres a question for Daffy. Do you think Graham will ever invite you to his new digs in Hua Hin? Only if he’s dumber than he’s shown himself on these blogs.
Graham beware. Daffy is nuts.
Brains,
The number one thing that all three Mango boys won’t admit or come to grips with is that they voluntarily chose to start and run a commercial sex business whose main revenue stream was their staff prostitutes sexing their customers and their ambition was to get rich doing it.
Their first location in Nana Plaza was right in the center of the Bangkok commercial sex district and was filled with half naked girls whose primary source of income was getting paid by customers for sex. Nick, Michael, and Graham, or the bar they owned, took a cut of each sex act and that revenue stream was as important as alcohol sales to their bottom line.
In the second location, they continued to employ a staff of prostitutes and continued to financially participate each time a customer paid one of their girls for sex. The only change was less provocative clothing and (not by their own choosing) less attractive girls.
Nick and Michael had no jobs or other money coming in. The bar was their sole source of income so their plan was to live off the money from the commercial sex they were selling.
Now that the business has failed and they are trying to hold down normal jobs, their past is an inconvenience fact (background checks, security clearances, etc.) they would like to forget, but no matter how much they shuck and jive it is still true. They choose to try make a living as pimps with all the moral problems like forcing impoverished young women into being sex workers, the violent methods pimps use to keep their girls compliant, and everything else that is inhumane about commercial sex businesses. They did it but don’t want to own up to it.
Just my 2 cents.
Hey Seriously,
Shuck and Jive. Shuck and jive.
The last time I checked business is about making money.
That’s why I love Graham claiming he never spent his money opening the Duke of Wellington to make money. He did it for fun. When it failed, got torn down, and he lost his money, in Graham’s World that is a “success”.
The Big Mango Bar was never meant to turn a profit in Graham’s World. He spend his money to buy the bar as a hobby.
Funniest is the last thing Graham said is that he hates his customers because they are niggers, indians, and cheap English teachers, not his class of people.
Funny hobby where you spend your money to hang out with people that disgust you.
How many ways can you say stoooopid?
I don’t like crowds. And when I say crowds.. I mean people. And when I say people, I mean assholes. I have a very low tolerance for fucking idiots, which Bangkok seems to have plenty of these days.
Hua Hin is quiet. Sure, in the town it’s a little busy, but nothing like Bangkok or Pattaya. I could walk on the pavement for starters. I wasn’t stopped by Indians and niggers every 15 meters and asked if I wanted a suit. I didn’t have beggars waving plastic cups at me and I wasn’t asked if I wanted to buy a giant zippo lighter or some Joakley sunglasses. Things were looking up.
Hua Hin and Bangkok are of course very different. For me… for now, I am favoring the quiet life for a while. I already have plans for life after Hua Hin, but that’s another story for another time.
Based on Graham’s own words, can you imagine how he treats the sex workers he employs?
Can you imagine some poor girl who has to go home with one of his customers because the customer pays Graham? There are some pretty fucked up old white men hanging around the Bangkok commercial sex market and they are into some degrading sex stuff.
What do you think happens when the girl refuses to do some of the nastier humiliating dangerous things these guys insist on and they complain to Graham the next day? Maybe even ask for a refund?
Based on his own words, do you think he treats his sex workers as human beings or animals?
Mr Graham Jones. I have been told you are coming to live here in Hua Hin. I will personally make it my job to inform all my brothers around town of your presence. I’m sorry to hear you didn’t receive any sales pitch from our shop front hawkers, something we will correct in future
We also have giant Zippo lighters out the back beside our stock of finest quality silk ties
Rangesh Patel
Patels Finest Suits, Hua Hin
I am not a pimp.
I am a WHOREMASTER.
All my bitches know they don’t bring my money everyday somebody is going to get a beating.
Hahaha!
Just to clarify – I don’t hate Thailand, I only hate niggers & Indians. I am just getting sick of those MF’ing dirtbags. Afterall, I have been here for 8 years now. Time for a little change.It’s been said many times – that Bangkok is changing. For me it’s the niggers & Indians I despise, thank god I haven’t come across any Jews yet! Easily solved… move somewhere that has only Anglican white middle/upper class expats, far nicer people!
by the way…
we win
The mango is done.
If Ronru hates the mango as much as Kenny then I do too.
mango is done my friend
and we did it
kenny is a cockstar with his nikon and quality threads
i llook just like him.
we rock
Now nobody will mess with us. We’re greater than even the Great Galt.
spot on that. and were not even child molesters
Speak for yourself my friend. I like them young like Ronru.
That’s why I’m his fanboy.
wow. you are a wild man my friend. but i guess i do recall something about kenny going to esarn for some under age twat so i’m not gonna judge.
But of course. If they’re old enough to bleed they’re old enough to breed is what Ronru told us.
Kenny and Ronru are wise beyond their years and that’s saying something.
fuck the mango. i hate them as much as kenny and ronru do
Yes, fuck those guys.
What else can we make up about them that people will believe?
anything we want! this is the internet! there is no accountability!
There are certain constants in our universe. The first law of thermodynamics. The gravitic constant. You know what I mean.
A human constant is that sex businesses must control their whores. We all know these girls will run hog wild if left alone. Servicing customers away from the bar without paying us our money. Finding boyfriends who want to marry them and moving to Sweden without buying out their contract. And just giving us lip and not giving us our respect. Every sex business has to keep their whores in line.
We tried fining them and sitting them down for talks but it didn’t work.
Nothing like punching them around though. Give one a few bruises and the rest fall in line. Same technique pimps use the world over. A cultural constant. Get it.
Looks like someone is in their own death throes. The clown who’s running this blog and trying to keep it alive.
Pavel, you are correct. Most of the content on here is BS and it’s the same erroneous information re-posted over and over and over and over….
Well, you get the idea.
Pavel, this website has been on life support for a very long time. Look at it this way. It’s a comatose patient with 2 regular visitors and the occasional curious onlooker, like yourself. Everyone else just passes by without a second thought.
I was wondering what this site was about. Looks like this is the place to settle scores because they are too afraid to do so in person.
Pavel, what you just said is true and all you need to know.
Interesting. Michael pitches himself nowadays as a Southeast Asian Start Up guru at tech conferences.
Reading Mangostorian gives some insight into his skillset and actual experience.
He originally got his job at Yahoo pitching his experience starting web business in Thailand. Only speculation but most likely he didn’t tell them the true story of Durianseed.com and WickedTraveller.com. Did he tell Yahoo executives about the commercial sex business which was used to seed these sites with reviews Or the Fuck You ownership structure that left the venture capitalists with worthless investments and the upside financials in his and Nicholas Dattoma’s pocket? I doubt it. If he did he most likely would never have been hired.
Well he was eventually let go at Yahoo. One can only speculate as to reason. He spun his termination as bad management at Yahoo which stifled the innovation and creativity of young visionaries in an interview. My opinion is that if you want to label yourself as a young visionary you should have at least one success under your belt so my question for Michael Smith is where is your one successful tech start up?
At Spuul.com, Michael pitched himself as one of the original owners in an interview at a tech news site. The real owners read the article, contacted the authors, and made them print a retraction. Again Michael tried to pitch himself as a Southeast Asian Tech Start Up Guru and ended up being publicly embarrassed. Obviously, he has no equity interest in Spuul.com and, despite the grand title of Chief Product Officer, is most likely a paid by the hour programmer.
Why am I wasting my time writing this comment? No one reads this site. Right?
Hey MANGOFARTS!
If nobody reads BBK.com, why all the spin control?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
I hear that Graham is waiting for Kenny to arrive so he can kick his ass.
He’s been in Bangkok for 4 months now.
When can we tell him you’ll be there Kenny?
Was in that bar pretty recently. The Western food wasn’t very good and the manageress was too busy playing grab-ass with her little skinhead boyfriend to make punters feel at home.
Isn’t Theatening people who disagree with you what started the Mango’s death spiral inthe first place?
That is what the Mango boys do. They open a customer service business. A bar and then they threaten the customers who don’t agree with them, they write on their blog they hate niggers, Indians and poor people. When they don’t have any customers they blame it on some silly internet feud with a nobody, landlords who raise rents, a recession happening half way around the world. How ways can you say stooooooopid?
This whole affair is quite funny. You have Kenny, who by almost all account is very shitty at what he does, befriended by a guy who is also a shitty business man who also like to fuck under age whores, making fun of the Big Mango former owners.
You can’t make this stuff up.
This site is a mess and the comment categorizing Ronru and Kenny as Pathetic Losers hits the mark.
I think Ronru is more of a loser than Kenny, but not by much. At least Kenny didn’t advertise what when on during his upcountry under age pussy hunt. Ronru wrote an article about his under age romps in the upstairs rooms of the bars with his under age whores.
How does someone like Kenny keep his job after all this?
He is for the most part done. Nobody will take his course and he can’t go somewhere else with his name associated with sex tourism.
He deserves to be fired and Ronru belongs in jail.
I’ve read all about the feud the last couple days. Kenny and Ronru are in no position to be critical of anyone given their history.
That’s what’s ironic. Kenny and Ronru are whore chasers and they use all these screen names to post comments about the Big Mango being a brothel.
So they claim the Big Mango has been closed or sold, but they keep going after the former owners. Don’t they have anything going on in their lives?
They really are pathetic losers.
If they had something better to do you wouldn’t see the same comments posted under new names for the last few years.
The term commercial sex business is the most accurate.
Commercial Sex Business lacks the negative connotation of brothel and is accurate.
Used in a sentence:
Because The Big Mango, owned my Michael Francis Smith, Nicholas Dattoma, and Graham Jones, employs prostitutes, it is a commercial sex business.
Words have power and meaning beyond the dictionary. Some words are “hot button” words. I have already written my opinion for example, that what one person calls “censorship” can be called “good blog management” by another. They might agree that they are describing exactly the same process, but one word is highly negative, while the other is arguably positive.
I like the term “pejorative” which I’ve used already once or twice recently. Since I’m not creative enough to find a better word (and my cheap-ass thesaurus doesn’t even contain the word) I’ll say that PIMP has a pejorative connotation, which probably arises from some specific characteristics associated with it.
I think that the traditional view of a pimp is someone who:
* protects the girls. He generally keeps them from being abused by customers. He assists them if they get pinched by the police. He may also control a certain territory, minimizing or eliminating competition. In these respects, he is a tough “guardian angel” for the girl.
* does not necessarily generate business for the girl. While I am no expert on pimping, it seems that the girls generally have to look after their own marketing, while the pimp looks after security.
* recruits new girls who are under his control, and prevents them from leaving via various means. His control over his stable may be weak or strong. Presumably a successful pimp will exert very strong control over his girls. Control my be physical, threatening, psychological, dependence on drugs, or simply by being a provider, lover or father figure to whom the girl feels indebted.
* makes his income from the girls’ activities. undoubtedly the pimp earns a “cut” of the girls’ earnings. He may earn money through other means, legal or illegal, but he will certainly enjoy some profit in return for the services he offers.
This list may well be incomplete. It represents only my top of the mind thoughts, but I think it’s clear that a pimp (at least in the pejorative sense of the word) is not simply a marketing machine for the girl. In fact, he may not be a marketing machine at all.
Pimps, I think, are associated with street girls who are vulnerable to being exploited and who require protection.
I believe that the negative meaning of the word comes from the activities that people associate with this exploitation, control and protection… being violent, creating dependencies (on drugs, sex, shelter, whatever).
I don’t think it’s really much of a question whether bar owners such as the ones Kenny chose to highlight profit from the activities of the girls.
If one wants to apply the term “pimp” with all it’s very negative meanings, I think the broader question is whether the owners of Gulliver’s, Orchid and Shark engage in the violent and exploitative activities that trap girls in their employ, prevent them from leaving the life, and result in violence to competitors and unsavory customers.
I don’t think that the owners of these establishments are widely believed to do these things, so I think that it is not appropriate to tag them as “pimps”, though, undoubtedly they profit from the sex that these girls sell.
Are they any more culpable than the girl herself if they don’t force her into the life, or prevent her from leaving? Should they be morally praised for offering the girls a clean safe environment to do what the girl freely chooses to do?
Should I, as a customer, be condemned for supporting the girl’s lifestyle by paying her for sex? Should I be praised for improving her life?
Me? I don’t think prostitution is immoral. I think it’s a job choice, and in Bangkok, not a particularly terrible choice. The owners we are talking about offer employment options in conditions that appear to my untrained eye to be non-exploitative.
I have known a lot of girls in these establishments (or at least ones like them) and every girl I’ve ever met had the choice to work as a bar girl or not, and chose to do it. Unless it was her parents or family, I’ve never seen a girl in Bangkok being pressured to offer sex for money against her will.
So, are these bar owners pimps? Are they terrible people? I don’t think so.
Dear Frequent Mango Customer,
Are you Werewolf? I ask because as I was reading your long winded/worded response I began to get drowsy.
Of course its Werewolf. Who else writes in such a pedantic self aggrandizing style.
What bar owners like the Mango owners are doing to bargirls in Thailand is reprehensible. They should be summarily executed. The consequences of what they are doing, and doing by wilful design, are terrible. Too, the mongers—whether occasional or dedicated—are with a few exceptions so much older than the girls, and they have, if only because of their educations in the West, the mental tools to think through what they are doing and the consequences of such actions. They also, by virtue of age and having come from the West, know quite precisely in moral terms what they are up to. They know what they are doing is wrong, and just how wrong it is—because of the severity of the consequences.
Well, Korski,
Very few girls in Thailand’s western targeted sex industry are forced into their jobs. Furthermore, what’s your problem with sex?
Jewish women at Buchenwald were given a choice. Fuck the Nazi guards or go in the gas chamber.
Smith, Dattoma, and Jones use girls facing the same choice. Fuck for money, give the money to the Smith, Dattoma, and Jones or grandma won’t get her cancer treatment.
Right back at you.
What’s the difference?
The difference is there are no gas chambers. Keep your analogies in context or just move on. Right back at you.
I enjoyed the songs Smith Dattoma & Jones produced in the 90′s, artists like Rick Astley, Mel & Kim, Kylie Minoque. If they were so successful back then why are they such ham-fisted businessmen now?
Mel and Kim, the reason they are so “ham fisted” as you say can be attributed to one thing. Arrogance. Plain and simple.
In the past people put up with their arrogance because they was so much other extraneous stimuli from the buzz of Nana Plaza. Now, in that quiet little sub soi, the arrogance is no longer filtered out.
Back then they had a better location. Now it’s hard to find their bar. Their sign is almost completely blocked from view from soi 4. Three keys to a successful business are location, location, location.
A hotel is good choice for that spot. Quiet, somewhat discreet and a good location (for a hotel).
I look forward to checking in there once they finish.
Close your eyes and imagine Big Fat Sweaty Werewolf, the Albino Pattaya Ghost, or the dwarfish Bangkok Bad Boy paying Smith, Dattoma and Jones twenty bucks to mount some poor Thai girl desperately in need of money to pay for grandma’s cancer operation.
If that isn’t a crime against humanity, I don’t know what is.
Doh! Excellent analogy Barry. Korski could learn from you.
This blog is so outdated.
WW and the mango boys are not friends. Bangkok Badboy disappeared years ago and PG had to return to America in shame.
Once again there is no value to this blog.
What’s the point?
This blog is not now nor has it ever been about accuracy or the truth. It’s been about Kenny and his hurt feelings and getting even.
The more I read on this blog the more I realize it really is at the bottom of the trash bin. You think the owner would have had the good sense to shut it down long ago.
Kenny’s damaged self-image won’t allow him turn it off completely, even after he was forced to take the sex tourist content down, he just couldn’t turn off the blog and let go of the whole ordeal.
The focus to this day continues to be on the Big Mango even though the original owners have all cashed out. So what has Kenny done? He’s pretending that they are still the owners so he can continue to go after them under various names.
Yes Kenny, everyone reading your blog can figure it out.
Kenny liked to come across as the person promoting all the opportunities for girls away from those areas focused on catering to foreign customers but he couldn’t stop talking about the Big Mango.
Pathetic
I’ve been to Thailand a few times to meet with business partners there. What the people talk about on this site is only a small part of the whole industry. Doing business in Asia includes outside the office in karaoke and other entertainment venues. In places like Thailand, China, Japan and Korea its part of how business deals get done.
Don’t forget the local businessmen and the men just looking for something on the side. There are more places on Ratchada and Petchaburi Roads that cater to Thai men than Cowboy, Nana and Patpong put together.
Then there’s Kenny (the whore monger) and the moral outcry of his followers against the Big Mango.
Now I see why people laugh at so many of his comments. Certainly worthy of a Haha Hehe Hoho
Doo Doo and Yabba Dabba have demonstrated what is known as a stream of consciousness.
Some good points were made.
Editor at Large tell me which of these is wrong.
1. Smith, Dattoma, and Jones started a commercial sex business in Bangkok.
2. They hired young girls from poor impoverished circumstances.
3. They intended to profit from prostituting said young girls.
4. None of the three is poor themselves and their goal was not to help these girls but to put money in their own pocket.
5. If 1 to 4 are true then they have blood on their hands same as the nazi guards at Buchenwald.
Right back at you.
It’s no secret, I am growing tired of assholes in Bangkok. But what type of person comes under ‘asshole’?
- The Indian / Pakistani tourist on a tight budget who doesn’t wash and wants to play pool for free in a bar. They have also been known to bring their own drinks!
- The sweaty, wet Arabs walking three abreast down Sukhumvit road and then stop for no reason, blocking all pedestrians.
- Rude guys that after having one or two drinks, get loud and abusive to staff.
- The internet trolls (cowards) who are scared to say things to my face.
- People who only visit a bar when there is a freebie on offer (and balloon chasers)
- Nigerians on the street saying ‘alright man’ when I walk past.
- People who will mess around with the girls in a bar and then not tip them
Basically, YOU know if you’re an asshole. You’ll be the one walking down soi cowboy or wherever on your own. Your only companion is someone you pay, and you always have a separate bin at a bar because you’re too cheap to buy a drink for anyone and no one is going to buy you one.
But lets not leave this as negative. The reason that the Big Mango doors are open today is because of the cool people I have met. There are too many to name here, but YOU know who you are.
We have some great English Teachers in our stable. One little Irish fella who is a blast and is always generous to the staff. We have the usual I.T bods, always happy to assist with our I.T problems. We have people living all over the globe that offer us a place to stay should we happen upon their neighborhood. We have people who ‘get’ what I am trying to achieve with the Mango and have bought me a bottle of booze! To get a bottle of booze off someone, when you have a bar shows that the bar was not a consideration when purchasing it. In other words, these guys are genuine, and the Mango Bar is not the only reason we hang out. Some of the guys, are just really nice people who don’t have a nasty word to say about anyone.
The Mango has been good to me. I’ve made some great friends and I’ll remain in contact with long after the Mango has gone.
But for now.. it’s business as usual…
I tried to respond to this on the Mango blog but my comment went to moderation and never came out. Guess if you’re not kissing Graham’s ass you can’t post.
What I wanted to say is that the Graham’s attitude is why the bar is failing? Who wants to be part of someone’s “stable”. Isn’t that kind of insulting? Order a beer at a bar and the owner claims you as some kind of domesticated animal? Do I really need Graham’s condescendingly declaring me a “nice guy” to be a decent human being. The whole thrust of Graham’s attitude is that he is a rock star and everyone should beg to be his groupie. Honestly I would be embarrassed to tell anyone I was in his “circle of friends” because they would think I was a suck ass.
That is what I tried to post on the Mango blog but I guess Graham doesn’t like anyone criticizing him.
“For an object lesson in what happens when a blog administrator abandons all responsibility for managing comments refer to the BigBabyKenny blog.” -Werewolf
Hey Graham.
How much do you mark up a bottle? 200% is about average for most bars.
So if we buy a bottle for 3000 and you pocket 2000 we can be your friend?
What kind of bullshit is that?
Take your friendship and shove it. FUCKER.
Korski, perhaps you should contact Barry Bisquick on some lessons in debate analogies that are in proper context. Until you do…
Right back at you.
Which one of the 4 is wrong?
1. Smith, Dattoma, and Jones started a commercial sex business in Bangkok.
2. They hired young girls from poor impoverished circumstances.
3. They intended to profit from prostituting said young girls.
4. None of the three is poor themselves and their goal was not to help these girls but to put money in their own pocket.
5. If 1 to 4 are true then they have blood on their hands same as the nazi guards at Buchenwald.
Right back at you.
Hey English Teacher.
Don’t forget about buying “Graham’s Girls” a round of drinks.
In “Graham’s World” the young girls he forces into a life of prostitution are “his” girls. Sounds a little like slavery doesn’t?
And don’t forget that every time you buy a round of drinks most of the money goes into Graham’s pocket and the girls get only credit toward making their monthly drink quota.
Wonder what happens when one of “Graham’s Girls” doesn’t make her monthly quota? Whatever it is, I’m sure its ugly.
How can anyone say anything to your face when you send our comments to moderation and delete them?
It’s obvious that Kenny and his cast of sock puppets are behind the comments. Him and Ronru.
The facts about Ronru’s fetish for under age Thai girls and Kenny’s whore chasing don’t get discussed at all. All they can do is talk about the Big Mango.
Ronu, having recently dined at the Mango during happy hour, I can say unequivocally, that there were no girls there available for take out. Maybe it was my appearance, but I could not score.
Many Expats have followed the Kenny/Mango Feud and I am one of them. As time goes by a few things become abundantly clear.
1. Graham, Nicholas, and Michael are distasteful people. Graham recent racist diatribe against “niggers, Indians, Arabs, and English teachers” is about as low class, uneducated, and hateful as it gets. You can click over to the Mango blog and read their own words. They are actually proud of hating whole countries, religions, and cultures. I guess it’s no mystery why their bar has no patrons.
2. The Mangostorian’s account makes it clear why they went after Kenny. He was never one of the “Mangotards” that were being used to create content for Graham, Nicholas, and Michael’s web businesses. He was just a guy writing interesting stuff about being a tourist in Thailand.
When he started telling people to knock off the whores and go find a nice normal Thai girl that threatened the whole narrative Nicholas and Michael were selling. When Kenny’s whole lexicon (remember The Thailand Girl Scene, The Reservation, Self Professed Masters of the Universe, Below the Line, Night Crawlers, etc.) started becoming wildly popular and was being adopted on all the Bangkok blogs and when Kenny’s whole ideology of “getting off The Reservation” was the topic of discussion, it threatened the whole Mango model of Thailand as a mongers heaven. Who needs the Nicholas, Michael, and Graham to be ambassadors to the Bangkok Sex Scene when, according to Kenny, anyone can walk down to “The Greatest Starbucks in the World” or the Murati shrine and just walk up to a nice girl and get her number?
It always puzzled me why they really went after Kenny. The death threats, threatened beatings, and writing newspapers and his university about his activities and writings seemed totally out of scale to what Kenny was writing about but after reading the Mangostorian’s account it cleared things up. Kenny’s writing and popularity was actually threatening Nicholas, Michael, and Graham’s plan to build a web business and sell it for millions. Looking back they were “a bit optimistic” (what I really mean to say is stupid) to think this was ever a possibility but in their own minds I am sure they thought Kenny’s writing was keeping them from becoming “rich beyond their wildest dreams”.
3. Which returns us to point 1 above. The greatest sin Nicholas, Michael, and Graham are guilty of is being willing to totally destroy (or at least put their best effort into it) Kenny just because he had an opinion that differed from theirs and that got in the way of their silly little get rich scheme.
As Kenny used to say Nicholas, Michael, and Graham through their actions and words have revealed themselves as real life “haters” and I, for one, think the expat community will be better off now that they have left “The Reservation.”
Kenny. If I ever run into you the drinks are on me.
^ How about that, Kenny — Werewolf is going to buy you drinks, next time you’re in town! Such a pal!
“For an object lesson in what happens when a blog administrator abandons all responsibility for managing comments refer to the BigBabyKenny blog.” -Werewolf
Just a note concerning the comment(s) by Bangkok Diaries dot com. This person is not associated with BangkokDiaries in any way. I have no idea why s/he chose to use the name of my site to post under. Should be a good indication of their integrity though.
My apologies to The Real BankgokDiaries.
My intention was more of a tribute to the intellectual quality of the contributors on BangkokDiaries.com. Not an attempt to claim my writing represents the views of the owner of BangkokDiaries.com.
I am a regular contributor on your site but my views are my own and do not represent yours.
I realize the rough and tumble, open debate, anyone can write anything, nature of the BBK style commentary is world’s apart from the moderated, English drawing room, stuffy upper class style of BangkokDiaries.com. Personally, I like both and think both approaches have their pros and cons.
What a great idea to put actual content on a blog. Maybe I should try that on mine.
why does harry zink defend the big mango all the time is what I wonder? Possibly it is because he is engaging in sex with very young looking girls.
The Mango has nothing to do with underage sex and I doubt Zink does either.
What about drug dealing and human trafficking? Anything to do with those?
Everybody knows the Mango Boys plus Zink are human scum who exploit poor young girls.
They’re shit businessmen and they’re are crooks who stole people’s money.
Everyone accepts this after everything that has been written and their failure to offer one word in their defense.
Can we move on now?
Everybody knows Kenny plus Ronru are human scum who fuck poor young girls for money.
The younger the girls are the better they like them.
Kenny’s sex tourism content which he removed even provided GPS directions on where to find them.
Can we move on now?
Honestly. If they are of legal age doesn’t every guy like fucking young girls?
No crime in that.
“We have people who ‘get’ what I am trying to achieve with the Mango and have bought me a bottle of booze! ”
Yes I can confidently say what Graham is trying to “achieve” here is to drive away new customers, ignore creditors he owes money to, run the bar into the ground, & high-tail it out of Bangkok before the creditors catch up with him. Quite sad behavior really
Does anyone know what happened to Larry the owner Larry’s Dive on Soi 22. The place closed and I heard he skipped town owing people.
Coercion vs. Consent. Men, even old ones, who go to 3rd world countries and meet younger women are doing nothing wrong because they are looking for loving relationships between consenting adults. Human traffickers and pimps, such as owners of sex businesses, are forcing girls to have sex with men whom they don’t want to have sex with. This causes untold emotional damage to the girls and the money that goes into the owners pocket is blood money. The traffickers and pimps will burn in hell one day. That’s my opinion.
They weren’t of legal age with some as young as 15 according to the various comments and posts on v1.0 of BBK.COM
Kenny wrote articles of where to find underage girls, complete with GPS locations. Karaoke bars, night clubs and parents homes in Essan were all on Kenny’s ‘radar’.
Ronru wrote about where to take underage girls to the upstairs rooms that some of the gogo bars maintain for “entertainment”.
Many viewed v1.0 as a guide for sex tourists.
These are the facts, and they are undisputed.
Ok ok. Kenny is considered to be an idiot that couldn’t get his facts straight yet now he is considered to be factual? Damn. I can’t keep score if y’all gonna keep moving the goal posts.
Ironic. The mango crowd went on a rampage because Kenny with his “get off the whore, leave The Reservation, and have a real relationship with non-prostitutes” mantra was killing the Mango Empire and now he is an expert on finding prostitutes. Consistency mango boys. That’s the key to credibility.
Do youreally need to be an expert to find a prostitute in Bangkok?
Walk out the front door of The Landmark Hotel and turn right, or turn left, or cross street. For that matter stay in the hotel and head down to the cocktail lounge.
Your problem won’t finding a prostitute. It will be avoiding them.
Kenny, is it ok if I shut down my BigDummyKenny site
now? (sigh) It always ends this way. A pathetic friendless
duck swimming in the darkness of a bitterly cold winter’s night.
paddling madly in circles to keep my legs from freezing into the
ice. I am nothing if not a visionary duck. (Hey, guys. Is that a
cruise boat I see ?)
I find relationships with prostitutes in Thailand much easier to deal with than the crazy office workers who all want me to have babies, the whores don’t want babies, i’m safe.
PM. Think about what you just wrote. If your just at troll then fine. It’s BS. If your feelings are heartfelt you are a sick person.
Your not really that safe Pattaya Monger. Just ask Michael Francis Smith, aka Smitty, aka Sideshow Bob, aka BigBlackGulliver. Some two-bit soi 6 whore from Patts has captured the man of his dreams.
The once profligate Sideshow has now committed to awarding his whole self to one woman.
Fucked over by a two-bit whore with less than a grade 8 education.
Could this be another trend-setting move by one of the biggest assholes ever to have washed up in Thailand ?
I’m having a gay ‘ol time talking to myself over on my dummy site. Even Graham has deserted me to let me furiously fap away on my own. I need a friend, will anyone be my friend? Kenny?
Hey Skink, Im a two bit whore lover but what separates me from Michael Smith Jr.( owner or former owner of a house of prostitution) is that I haven’t knocked up any of my whores. He has. Doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And furthermore, he lives way out in the sticks of Chonburi. Doh!!!!!!!!!
I wondered why he retired from commenting on daffy’s site. Maybe ‘cuz of the kid?
This thread. Not Galt’s.
All you do is bitch and moan about those guys using made up names because your career is shit Kenny.
Own up to your own actions instead of blaming others.
How’s the job hunt?
By the way, how did your last “pussy hunt” for under-age girls in rural Esan go? You don’t write much about the stuff anymore
Keep all posts to this site directed to this thread.
Death Throes of Kenny’s Career is obviously a Kenny sockpuppet.
Preface:
I don’t know what Fact Corrector is talking about. Seems to have a few “facts” twisted, but I will say this Michael Smith Jr. aka Big Black Gulliver, aka Smitty aka Side Show Bob, aka Michael Francis Smith Jr. once was owner of the Big Mango Bar.
Yes, Michael Smith Jr of nokpis (look it up) was once (or still is) the owner of a bar in the Nana Plaza that employed prostitutes.
Me thinks Michael Smith jr. knocked up a slut with bad teeth from Pattaya.
Me thinks that Michael Smth jr thought all would pass since he retired Big Black Gulliver. Nope.
Me thinks if I were to consider letting Michael Smith Jr. into my new start up, i should really rethink that position.
Me thinks that Michael Francis Smith jr. aka Michael Smith jr. shortened his name so that Google searches would not come up with his name connected with allegations of his involvement in his questionable investment packages connected to the Big Mang bar.
Me thinks Michael Smith jr. should never have put his family on YouTube, but his ego is in control.
Me thinks Michael Smith jr should remove videos of his family from YouTube.
Me thinks his brother Christopher Smith (such lame names dontcha think?) will be dragged into this bog of never ending crap.
Me thinks Harry Zink’s dog Vladimir will prove to be his last true love.
Me thinks that Death Throes of Kenny’s Career is Michael Smith jr. aka Michael Francis Smith Jr.
Me thinks i don’t know this Graham guy but I feel sorry for him because he was suckered by the Mango boys. it’s fortunate that he’s got enough money to stave off the hemorrhaging.
Me thinks if I keep posting the name Michael Smth jr,, potential investors or partners will think twice before going into business with him.
Me thinks Michael Smth jr should keep a low internet profile.
Me thinks Michael Smth jr should repent for all his sins.
Me thinks I’ve said enough for now.
Me thinks I’ll be back.
Me Thinks is obviously internet troll Harry Zink trying to stir the pot.
Me thinks Fact Corrector exhibits weaknesses in cognitive reasoning. Yes, me thinks so.
Everyone commenting is just Ronru the Kenny Sockpuppet.
All posts directed to this thread please.
Due to the noise in the area & the predicted dismal quality of the completed rooms, the only customers booking rooms at the Big Mango Bar will be short time customers or the low end sex tourist with little money such as Harry Zink, Indians, & drunks, something Graham probably hasn’t anticipated
Quality purpose built 4 or 5 star accomodation is so close & affordable around Nana, why is Graham building a 2-star hovel catering to fat drunken singlet clad low life sex tourists that hang out in Big Dogs from 11 in the morning till midnight?
I can only put it down to his poor business acumen & general incompetence in the hospitality trade
The serviced apartments will be high class and offer an affordable alternative for high flying tech executives to the over priced first class hotels like the Landmark and Marriot down the street.
Why pay hundreds a night when you can get the same room in a BOUTIQUE hotel right down the street?
A bad idea couldn’t be more wrong. He knows nothing about boutique hotels and their successes.
Kenny, how’s that job hunt going? I hear you’re not having any luck.
Going to try an English teaching career in Bangkok?
Do you think they’ll ever find out about this blog and how you like the young girls of questionable age?
No chance of that since nobody reads this blog except you and ronru.
Hey DUMBASS HARRY ZINK.
You are not fooling anyone. You befriend the Mango Boys get some personal information about them and you come on here using the information to stir the pot and screw your friends as Me Thinks.
Where have we seen this act before?
You are like a serial killer who commits the same murder over and over again.
How many Thailand Monger sites have banned you already from after doing the same dance routine you are trying again here?
In your sick mind, your having a party because you are doing your act again but this time to the Mango Boys.
Well guess what?
I am calling you on it. So FUCK YOU!
Duck Diary
Aspergers under control, I think although I still can’t make friends, people say I come across as too needy or a complete fuckwit. I don’t understand what they mean – confused
I talked to a girl. Rather excited about this as its the first time a female didn’t slap me in the face. I think I’m getting this social interaction thing
I wish I was Kenny. He has the lifestyle I can only dream about. Uber jealous
Harry signing off, Toodles diary
Duck Diary
Can’t get out of bed. Too depressed that I don’t have a job. Glad Obama won election so I’ll have medical insurance when I am old.
Highlight of the day. Stroking one out while thinking about Justin Bieber’s dick up my ass.
Harry signing off. Toodles diary.
Duck Diary
Jacked off to some 98 degrees videos.
Posted some hate on BBK.com.
Time for an enema.
Harry signing off. Toodles diary.
The Mango business plan was grounded in reality. If you question that read this article about the purchase of Whatsapp by Google.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/why-google-might-want-to-buy-whatsapp/2013/04/08/e4b80b9c-a04f-11e2-82bc-511538ae90a4_story.html
Google could write its own messaging app but it is cheaper to buy Whatsapp with its database of existing users. The users are what makes Whatsapp valuable and the founders of Whatsapp will bank over 100 million dollars.
If DurianSeed.com and WickedTraveller.com had taken off, it could be The Mango Boys pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars.
What is the point of this site?
The information is incorrect.
The posts are pathetic
The comments are idiotic
and the web-owner never makes any comments.
Kenny has a ‘god-complex’. When will he ever learn?
In Summary. Does anyone really believe everything written on the internet. Take it for what it is. Entertainment. Honestly, The Mango Boys, in particular a certain unnamed meth head, should cool off. Going nuts every time some moron posts something in the comments is ridiculous. Well. Its kind of funny to watch but it doesn’t accomplish anything. End of Story.
Duck Diary
Exciting news diary! My agent (Mommy) called today with several items to discuss. She was contacted by a circus manager wanting me to join a freak show travelling across America. I was to be the star attraction
Oh hahahaha yes good one *TARD*! No doubt someone with the mental capacity of Prufrock
Secondly Mommys washer has broken and theres now a backlog of my home squeezed man juice encrusted on the sheets to be washed. I was asked to stop spanking the monkey until further notice. I said to Mommy I can’t just turn off my homo-erotic dreams like a tap! Oh yeeeeah, how I dream of Kenny & I naked, walking along the beach together. This thought keeps me going through the tough days
Harry Zink signing off. Toodles
Frequent Mango Customer.
Tongue in cheek?
Grounded in reality?
If you read the monger blogs, the expat contributors act as if the Thai economy is dependent on the commercial sex industry and it is a multi-billion dollar industry whose collapse would send Thailand back to the stone age but, in fact, the commercial sex business is a wart on the ass of a elephant. The government could close all the bars on Cowboy, in Nana and Patpong and the Thai economy wouldn’t even feel it.
The idea that a business which reviews less than a hundred dingy little bars and a couple of hundred happy ending massage shops could be worth a hundred million dollars is pure fantasy.
Durianseed.com and wickedtraveller.com never had a chance of being worth anything.
Michael Smith’s fantasy of a Thai tech startup being sucessful was a pipe dream.
Or should we say a dreampipe dream.
Haha as Ronru says.
So where are we with all this?
Michael Smith is working a spuul.com in India
Nicholas Dattoma is working foe Cisco also in India
Graham Jones is in the Mango Bar
Harry Zink is working in Cali
Ronru has been exposed as the creep he is.
Kenny is now looking for a job
BigDummyKenny has no traffic
Bigmangoblog continues with no mention of Kenny
BBK site has plunged into a deeper cess pool
WW has gone off radar as his only friend is Kenny who is as much a loser as he is.
BigBlackGulliver – if you read his stories on the BDK site, you will see it is not Michael Smith of spuul.
So what have we learned?
We’ve learned that the Mangoboys have managed to move on. It’s all well and good, the likes of NYTimes Creep to talk trash about the Mangoboys business, but he fails to mention that the bar business is/was not their forte. They are I.T guys who are (it would appear) to be fairly successful in their field.
The guys on here throwing rocks don’t come forward and reveal what they do to make the dollars. Why is that?
And what of Kenny? Still in his lame ass teaching role that, if reports are to be believed is on his way out of the door next semester.
If this site was not polluting the airwaves, the BDK would have no reason to continue. The Mangoblog pays no attention and everyone (apart from Kenny) has moved on.
The winners here are the people who are in a better position now, than they were 4 years ago when the bar was opened.
Who can claim that?
It needs to be said that it is very hard even to find the Big Mango, no wonder the people that actually found the place defend it with such gusto. But with such a poor location building any sort of a larger customer base was not in the cards. Even if it was found having Graham and his constant unpleasant ranting is not something to bring, and keep, new visitors there. Further, probably the death knell of the Big Mango was Graham latching his wagon to the website of Harry Zink. Graham appears to have some people that do not detest him, but I have never heard of a single person that does not hate Harry Zink. I am not sure what Graham was thinking with that decision but it backfired horribly.
I have read Harry Zink’s website and find that after doing so I cannot help but wish the worst for the big mango. Harry Zink is not only on the largest internet trolls on Thailand based websites, he is also a tremendous asshole.
Why was my last comment deleted?
I thought this was a no-censorship site?
Please post only here please.
Editors note: U.S. laws must be obeyed.
Whats the point. Kenny keeps deleting the comments.
The non-censorship line is bullshit.
No credibility.
Every now and then I get an email from a reader on my bar blog asking me about relationships with Thai women. Just because I run a bar, pimp bargirls, & have a prostitute as a girlfriend readers think I know it all but in reality if I can’t buy a nights worth of loving then I’m completely lost. Don’t bother asking Harry Zink either, he bats for the other side
That reminds me I must get Harry over here soon, I find his shiny bald head perfect for polishing the cutlery in my bar
Graham
Please show some mercy for Little G.
He has had two business failures and the attempts to spin failure into success on The Mango Blog are pathetic.
Graham is so rich he is going to move to Hua Hin and buy a penthouse condo with an infinity pool. What idiots are buying that line?
Let him slip quietly into oblivion and move on with his life.
Please.
I am not a short bald failure.
I think you’ll find that Big G is indeed living in Hua Hin.
Which means you are the failures in all this.
Most happy people just go about their lives being happy.
Most rich people try to hide their wealth from others.
Graham is constantly advertising how happy and wealthy he is.
Draw your own conclusions.
Why do we care what Graham does or where he lives?
Is it not just feeding his ego by talking about him? Harry also come to that.
This site is so far detached from where it started out from
Graham obviously cares because he posts incessantly on the mang0blog about where he lives, what he does, how rich he is, and how he hates English teachers, blacks and Indians.
Ironic how a short bald troll-like man whose has double failed businesses on his resume, spends his time informing the world how happy and successful he is.
Fucktard Nation says: ”Graham obviously cares because he posts incessantly on the mang0blog about where he lives, what he does, how rich he is, and how he hates English teachers, blacks and Indians.”
Yes, it’s called “blogging” – have you heard of it?
I’m not surprised you’d be unfamiliar with the concept – it’s not as if this site demonstrates how it’s done.
A certain bald troll should go into rehab and get off the methamphetamine.
The Mango blog has new content added weekly or more. Same drivel and mutual backslapping, but at least it’s fresh. This site is stale and repetitive.
The English Teacher Graham is ranting against is Werewolf.
Big G from the Mango Blog
Got a call the other day from an irate punter. He was in the Mango and wanted to complain that a girl told him to fuck off?!?! He then went off to call her a cnut. And called her that many, many times. Of course, this needed chasing up. We made some calls. Apparently the guy is always a problem. He kept hassling the girl – wanting some interaction from her. She was not interested and wanted to eat her dinner so went outside. He followed her and demanded she smile at him!! Shouting at her calling her a cnut. She then told him to just fuck off.
Whilst Miss Tim was getting this report from the staff, I received another call from a stranger who was also in the bar. He called to say that he saw/heard everything and felt he should call up to tell me that the girl did nothing wrong. Jolly decent of him.
When I got back to the bar, the girl in question was a little worried. I called her to one side and told her.. “if you are getting verbally abused or hassled in the future, you do NOT tell a customer to fuck off. Unless you follow it up with an uppercut and a kick in the balls’.
It is VERY RARE to get a complaint about a girl at the Mango. There is only 4 girls and they’re all great. If we get one complaint, there is 30 compliments to drown them out.
The girls do not get paid enough to be abused. Don’t be an arsehole.
“cnut” should be spelled “cunt.
Ironic that a person who is a cunt can’t spell it.
Hahahahahahaha!
“Of course, this needed chasing up”
Honestly, is English Graham’s native language?
The phrase “chasing up” doesn’t exist.
“This needed to be chased down” is correct IMHO.
Hohohohohohoho!
”The girls do not get paid enough to be abused”
Hey Big G, why don’t you pay them a little more then you tight cunt. Did you notice how that was spelt? You stupid English simpleton
Thank goodness this site found you out for what you are, slimeball
Hehehehehehehe!
“There is only 4 girls and they’re all great. If we get one complaint, there is 30 compliments to drown them out.”
Graham. Girls and complaints are plural. You should use the plural form of is, i.e are.
There are only four girls and they are all great. For each complaint there are 30 compliments to drown out each complaint.
The grammar in your essay wouldn’t get a passing grade in a 6th grade class.
Graham’s post is so poorly written, it reads like something Young Penfold wrote.
This blog is now focusing on the spelling and grammar of another blog.
Is it only me that finds this a bit lame?
And what’s with all the English Teachers? Are these all official certified Teachers or dumb kids pointing at a picture of a cow and saying “cow”?
Hope to see a new posting soon. At this rate I’ll have to read about Keith Summers, whoever he is?
Boring
Don’t you read Stickman?
English teachers are a highly respected profession in Bangkok.
Good English teachers make 150,000 THB in Thailand.
Cmon. Even if Graham is your best friend, you have to laugh at his English proficiency.
He was in the Mango and wanted to complain that a girl told him to fuck off?!?!
What school teaches that ?!?! is proper punctuation?
150,000 per month? That is seen as good right? I know ugly hookers who make more than that.
There used to be a lot of people teaching in Bangkok who had no teaching background or any formal teacher training whatsoever. There are still people here like that, but they tend to work in poorly paid positions. Some believe that just because they can speak the language, they can teach it. There is no correlation between speaking English and being able to teach it. Further, a lot of other skills such as being able to write or edit, or being a good public speaker don’t mean you will be a good teacher! Many of these skills will be useful, but it should be noted that English teaching requires its own unique skill set! Understand that the ability to teach is far more important than the ability to simply speak the language well!
High paying gigs are available and some teachers can earn 150,000+ baht a month.
Are there any fringe benefits working as an English teacher?
The majority of English teachers are men, the majority of English language students at universities and language schools are girls. 1+1 most definitely equals 2 here. Relationships do blossom between teachers and students and while as a teacher one must manage this very carefully, romantic liaisons do occur.
Your Humble Correspondent.
This comment was posted on April 22nd by Round Up:
This comment was subsequently deleted by the owner/moderator of this blog, despite claiming “no censorship”.
Why is that?
Maybe, because of this:
http://www.bigmangobar.com/main/2013/05/08/hua-hin-the-arrival-by-big-g/
It really does mean that all the haters, detractors, and ignorant Kenny acolytes are the failures in all of this.
Congratulations Big G, on the new digs!
This comment was posted on April 22nd by Round Up:
…. and then there’s this:
http://www.bigmangobar.com/main/2013/05/08/hua-hin-the-arrival-by-big-g/
It really does mean that all the haters, detractors, and ignorant Kenny acolytes are the failures in all of this.
Congratulations Big G, on the new digs!
The little troll has a new home.
Honestly. Who gives a fuck?
I am not a crook
Richard Nixon
I did not have sex with that girl
Bill Clinton
I did not kill my wife
OJ Simpson
I am happy closing my bar and restautant and moving to Hua Hin.
Graham Jones.
Apparently, you do – several times.
Graham posts a picture of himself in his backyard pool with a beer in hand to prove to the world how happy he is. But there is no one else in the pool with him.
From his narrative it didn’t sound like he had any friends to help him move his stuff out of the Mango to his rented house in Hua Hin.
Yeah. Sounds like a happy guy. 40 something, no friends back in England, moving to live alone in a rented house in Hua Hin with some Issan farmers daughter.
Don’t we all want to be like Graham?
Hey. I am happy and successful. I posted the picture to prove it.
Hahahahaha. Hehehehehe!
Hi everybody, Fact Corrector here, but you may call me Harry Zink
Its sad over on my dummy blog, REAL sad. Nobody visits except for my dog Vladi. So I’ve decided to start posting here again, even though you may recall I said I NEVER would again. Yes I am a liar & full of bullshit, as well as being a sleazy internet troll, but hey you already knew that
May I congratulate Graham on the move, I’ll be lost in Bangkok now. My only friend (I paid alot of money to him & his bar to become his friend) is now gone. Does anybody here want to become my friend?
Harry
He was never your friend.
Have yet to make it down to Bangkok this year, but is the Mango still open?
Does anyone really care?
Graham has a friend you idiot, his name is Harry Zink, and he is from Toluca Lake, CA. He is an Internet troll of the highest order and a horrible human being.
No apples for today. I’m not hungry. Perhaps Kenny may want some. KENNY — Whoa KENNY the Idiot Watcher is offering food today!.
move/delete this comment quick Kenny.
Dont want CSU-N showing up on the searches.
How are those rural Thai pussy hunts going you stupid dickhead?
School’s almost out Kenny
“Valid driver’s license, new car, a full tank of gas, and a police and fine free highway in front of you. Let the pussy hunt begin!”
Ready for your annual sex tour?
Ha! You tell em BBG. I’m certainly ready for a sex vacation too. Why don’t we visit Graham in Hua Hin?
We could all go swimming in the pool together, naked
. Then we could compare the size of our Tiny Tims before I *accidently* brush my cock on your buttocks. Then who knows where things might lead?
Okay I won’t beat around the bush here BBG, either you or Graham can pump me up the ass any time you want, I need to be screwed by a dominant man!
Just hope Miss Timms isn’t there, I don’t like her, she gets in the way
Harry Zink
Hey DUMBASS!
Check the university website.
Prof. Fucktard is scheduled to teach summer session in Los Angeles until
August 12th.
It doesn’t look like he is going anywhere near any Thai whores this summer.
Hahahahahahahaha!
How does a stranger in the bar have the manager’s mobile number?